[sinkspur]

Yes. This is the bill. And don't be surprised if the precedent set tonight doesn't get invoked to require federal judges to look at each and every terminally ill case in the United States. Doctors and hospitals are going to be second-guessed at every turn.

If you think health care's expensive now, wait until hospitals start propping up Aunt Gertie in the corner for fear of being taken to federal court.

[Just mythoughts]

Oh my a little fear mongering in the weeeee early morning hours.

[ambrose]

They don't care about the costs (someone else's problem), and they don't care about the bad precedent. They only know what they want, RIGHT NOW.

[Qwinn]

"And don't be surprised if the precedent set tonight doesn't get invoked to require federal judges to look at each and every terminally ill case in the United States."

Uh, I take it you didn't even read the bill then, if you're going to make a claim like this:



]36 SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.
37 Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not
38 otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the
39 several States.

40 SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.
41 Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer additional jurisdiction on

42 any court to consider any claim related--

43 (1) to assisting suicide, or

44 (2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.

45 SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.
46 Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future

47 legislation, including the provision of private relief bills.

48 SEC. 8. NO AFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION
49 ACT OF 1990.

50 Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient

51 Self-Determination Act of 1990.

[Peach]

But didn't you hear Sensenbrenner last night on the floor of the House.

He contradicted himself twice. When he opened the session I clearly heard him say that this bill will help others in a similar situation as Terri.

Anyone who thinks that bill won't be used as precedent is naive.

[Qwinn]

"If you think health care's expensive now, wait until hospitals start propping up Aunt Gertie in the corner for fear of being taken to federal court."

Ya know, I find the Left's arguments for killing Terri to be shockingly lame. Insisting Terri's PVS when she clearly isn't, ignoring the massive conflicts of interest that Schiavo has, ignoring the huge number of Florida statutes that Greer has allowed MS to violate. I believe they're primarily motivated by antipathy to the Christian Right - whatever they want, liberals hate.

But none of them are making any arguments as repulsive as you are. You're arguing the "Useless Eater" argument, right out of Hitler's playbook. And I realize you're not alone - there's a lot of other people on this board, some old timers, making the same argument.

I'm frankly ill to my stomach over it. I've always believed that the notion that the Nazi philosophy is "right wing" to be a false liberal canard - the Nazis were clearly socialists. But listening to you guys making the same "Useless Eater" argument made by the Nazis, I'm having to reconsider that for the first time in my life.

Congratulations.

Qwinn