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House Calling Emergency Session to Vote on Schiavo Legislation; Senate Passes Bill First
AP ^ | 3/20/05 | Jim Abrams

Posted on 03/20/2005 2:52:24 PM PST by Jean S

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To: PFKEY

Why did the Sheriff Rice, best buddies with Greer, hire Michael Schaivo as a jail nurse instead of investigate him, as requested by citizens of Florida?

There are people who have agendas and doing the right thing, doing their jobs, evidently takes a back seat.

Or do you ignorantly believe that Rice, best buds, with Greer, associated with Felos, who was on the Board of Directors of the Hospice where Terri was put, are all innocents?


201 posted on 03/20/2005 7:19:56 PM PST by nicmarlo (.)
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To: TAdams8591

THen why is this the diagnosis? Then why hasn't this come to light in all the years of court battles? If she is not in a PVS, then why isn't it demonstrated to anyone outside of those on the parents' side. It was found, by independent doctors, she is PVS.


202 posted on 03/20/2005 7:23:55 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

Because, repeatedly stating she's in PVS kicks in the "right" to remove Terri's food via a tube, the law that got put into place, by Michael Schaivo's lawyer, George Felos, with the help of Jim King, AFTER TERRI COULD NOT STATE HER WISHES. When Terri could talk, could state her wishes, food and water was NOT even considered ARTIFICIAL LIFE SUPPORT.


203 posted on 03/20/2005 7:26:04 PM PST by nicmarlo (.)
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To: reformedliberal
I am shocked in this case at the ease with which the husband can make this decision.

Lacking a living will it does seem a bit shocking but if you consider that it is the spouce that normally makes the call in these cases then it isn't all too shocking.

I don't know what to make of the husband. On one hand if what he says about this being his wife expressed desire then it seems that he is doing the loving thing and making sure her wishes be carried out despite what her parents might want. However, having read all the things about his refusing some basic care and rehab on the outside chance that she could improve seems to say that he is anything but loving. So what does that leave? That he wants her to die for the sheer sake of his hatered. Or that he stands to gain monetarily if she is dead.

I have heard it stated that he does stand to gain but I have not seem that in any official sense. Many here have said as much but they never seem to provide any documentation to support that assumption.

Also, if her does get some money how much can possibly be left?

204 posted on 03/20/2005 7:28:14 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: PFKEY
Well, actually her husband is not murdering her. The people at hospice are with the blessing of the State of Florida.

Michael Schiavo is part of a conspiracy to commit murder. I'm not sure the act itself can be pinned on any one individual, since the murder in this case is itself not a single identifiable act. If someone is stoned to death, it may not be possible to identify any particular stone that cause the first mortal wound, but the throwers collectively certainly kill their victim. Likewise with those who actively prevent Terri from receiving water from those who would offer it.

205 posted on 03/20/2005 7:28:25 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: doc30

She did not meet the Florida law definition of PVS - but Greer didn't care as long as the docs used the buzzword.


206 posted on 03/20/2005 7:29:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: PFKEY
That he wants her to die for the sheer sake of his [hatred].

A good a guess as any

207 posted on 03/20/2005 7:31:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: nicmarlo
Or do you ignorantly believe that Rice, best buds, with Greer, associated with Felos, who was on the Board of Directors of the Hospice where Terri was put, are all innocents?

Either they are innocent or this is one big conspiracy to which many are aware of but none are able to prove or bring sufficient evidence forward to even get a grand jury to hear.

If you have any evidence to back up your accusations then please bring them to the attention of the authorities so this travesty of justice will come to an end.

208 posted on 03/20/2005 7:33:19 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: JeanS
It's so strange the times we live our lives in.

September 11, 2001. NYFD rushed in the savaged World Trade Center Towers. A courageous and valient struggle to save lives.

The people working inside those buildings stuggled against all odds to live and to save their fellow-co-workers.

Flight 93 Passengers bravely did what needed to be done to save lives. A fight so that others live.

Today we are bearing witness to another struggle to live. A handicapped woman abandoned by her husband is starving to death by judicial decree. This is a fight for the right to live.

209 posted on 03/20/2005 7:33:48 PM PST by harpo11
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To: PFKEY

They have been brought. You're looking at the good old boy network of Pinellas County.


210 posted on 03/20/2005 7:34:55 PM PST by nicmarlo (.)
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To: doc30
THen why is this the diagnosis? Then why hasn't this come to light in all the years of court battles? If she is not in a PVS, then why isn't it demonstrated to anyone outside of those on the parents' side. It was found, by independent doctors, she is PVS.

Silly man haven't you been listening her husband the judge his lawyer the doctors the juries the state of florida hospice and I m many more conspiritors all stand to gain financially and if not financially it furthers there culture of death agenda.

211 posted on 03/20/2005 7:36:10 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: PFKEY

I am sick after hearing about the amount of money that was supposed to go to treat Terri and how it was all eaten up between MS and the lawyers....this is disgusting, this woman's tragedy was used as a way for all these losers to stuff their pockets! THIS HAS TO BE SORTED OUT IN FEDERAL COURT! I think many people besides Schiavo are afraid of what will be dug up when a legal representative for Terri gets at these records. We can't let this happen...PRAY everyone!


212 posted on 03/20/2005 7:39:38 PM PST by LegalEagle61
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To: doc30
It was found, by independent doctors, she is PVS.

Has there ever been a group of professionals more given to pessimism, to finding the blackest cloud to every silver lining, than medical doctors?

There has not. It's a survival tactic. By casting every situation in the blackest possible shadow, buy finding doom and gloom in the cheeriest piece of evidence, doctors cover their collective derrieres against someone--anyone--who might try to assert that a doctor gave them false hope.

I've been around a lot of doctors, many of them technically brilliant. I have learned to heavily discount their doom and gloom pronouncements. I know what motivates them, and I discount them.

213 posted on 03/20/2005 7:40:10 PM PST by JCEccles (If Jimmy Carter were a country, he'd be Canada.)
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To: doc30
It's called an AGENDA. Terri was designated to be sacrificed to the god of euthanasia for the sake of establishing court precedent.

Have you seen the pictures and Videos????

214 posted on 03/20/2005 7:43:33 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: PFKEY
If not then who does and why hasn't it happened yet? What are "they" waiting for?

The only type of lawsuit for which anyone would have standing would be a guardianship challenge. Greer seems to deem the guardianship challenge irrelevant, notwithstanding Michael's clear violations of the guardianship statutes.

Proper sequence of events should be (1) File guardianship lawsuit; (2) HINO gets replaced with honest guardian; (3) honest guardian has standing to file motions to protect Terri. But the Great High Omnipotent Unstoppable Lord Almighty George Greer (GHOULAGG) has decreed that Michael is a perfect guardian, probably in part because any other guardian would complain that GHOULAGG hasn't properly handled Terri's accounts.

215 posted on 03/20/2005 7:49:42 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: nicmarlo
They have been brought. You're looking at the good old boy network of Pinellas County.

Are these cases still pending or have they been decided?

I guess I need to add the "good old boy network" of Pinellas County to my ever growing list of conspirators.

216 posted on 03/20/2005 7:50:09 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: doc30
It was found, by independent doctors, she is PVS.

By court-appointed doctors...

217 posted on 03/20/2005 7:51:13 PM PST by lsee
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To: PFKEY

I'm done "talking" with you. Play your games with someone else.


218 posted on 03/20/2005 7:52:20 PM PST by nicmarlo (.)
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To: supercat

a guardian ad litem is not a lawyer, she never had a lawyer and that is why she is in this mess. The congress is trying to give her her 14th amendment right to due process because she has not had any up to this point.


219 posted on 03/20/2005 7:56:32 PM PST by LegalEagle61
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To: PFKEY
I think he just wants her gone so he can continue on w/his new family.

OTOH, if he did precipitate her condition, he may be terrified she will recover enough to tell on him.

He must have a sweeping Power of Attorney granted by Greer.

You said in another post that the GAL had made his decision based on a review of the medical and legal records. If those records contain flawed information, then the review itself was also flawed. It is similar to the problems involved in so-called meta-analysis...you can _analyze_ the data, but that doesn't always show the errors or the fraud inherent in that data.

Just intuition, but this entire case smells bad. Were I in charge, I would order everything to date declared moot, reinstall the feeding tube and order a complete medical review of Terri by a new panel of neurologists from outside the state of Florida. If warranted, I would order a complete rehab protocol for 8-12 months and then have Terri reviewed again. From everything I have read, I will bet she would show _some_ improvement.

We are medical massage therapists. If I had a dollar for every time PT (under time and insurance reimbursement constraints) had to sign off on someone saying they had reached their healing plateau and then we were able to facilitate an increase in range of motion and functionality, I could quit working. I don't think the average person realizes how much rehab can be limited by what the insurance companies decide or how treatment by various specialties can be constrained by the restrictions competing modalities can have placed into licensing law.

Medical specialists all have competing worldviews, as well. Physicians will say about PT:"I don't know what they do down there". About massage:"I don't know what you are doing, but keep on doing it." Today, everyone is a specialist and they often have very little knowledge about the capabilities of each other's modality.

It isn't just the judiciary that is broken, IMO.
220 posted on 03/20/2005 7:56:47 PM PST by reformedliberal
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