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To: Clemenza
Show me proof that the factories in the Pearl River Delta put a gun to the heads of the women who work there.

I had one of these jokers argue that child labor in these countries is so bad, the kids are better off starving to death.

308 posted on 03/21/2005 11:14:27 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I can foresee the day when some smart operator buys a "functional obsolete oil tanker" and converts it into 80,000 ton floating cabinet workshop, and stocks same with happy Chinese workers at $.40 an hour. They'll be able to a a complete kitchen in the time it takes the varnish to dry*. No big deal, except for the US workers who lose their jobs and vote Dimo. That is not a threat to national defense.
Steel and high quality castings and the like are essential to the national defense, hence any loss in this capacity does hurt us.(*Already been considered, but the money guys think the Chinese will stop the worker source once it becomes profitable)
310 posted on 03/21/2005 11:25:39 PM PST by investigateworld (Another California Refugee in Oregon)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Clemenza
Show me proof that the factories in the Pearl River Delta put a gun to the heads of the women who work there.

Are you trying to defend doing business with slavers?

Are you denying there is no slave labor in China? Maybe you should do your homework on the companies and countries you do business with before you give them your money.
315 posted on 03/22/2005 8:08:44 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"Why? Because your companies want to make money there. Your companies and politicians do not care about slave labor. They do not care about the execution of the innocent. They do not care about human rights. They care about copyrights and national security. But what they have done is to help turn China into an economic and military giant. But it is still a Communist giant which crushes human beings."

"Human dignity means nothing to your greedy politicians and corporate leaders. They see China as a great place to make money. And it does make good business sense. No unions. No strikes. Slave labor. The state maintains order for you. "

--Harry Wu


316 posted on 03/22/2005 8:10:46 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Clemenza

Free and Endless Supply of Workers

China¡¯s booming economy continues to increase through its use of slave labor or Laogai camps. Laogai means ¡°reform through labor.¡± It¡¯s a system of prison factories and detention centers set up by former Chinese leader Mao Zedong during the 1950¡¯s as a means to re-educate through labor and increase economic gain for the People¡¯s Republic of China. As of 1979, there were apparently only several thousand people being forced to work in the Laogai system. Today it has become an enormous source of free labor and financial profit for the Chinese government. According to estimates from the Laogai Research Foundation, there are 6.8 million people incarcerated in China¡¯s 1,100 labor institutions.

For those incarcerated in these facilities, the reality they face is long hours of brutal treatment with little sleep or food to sustain themselves. Reports of 20-hour work days and violent oppression force some detainees to choose suicide instead of being beaten, starved, or worked to death according to a paper by Stephen D. Marshall, ¡°Chinese Laogai: a hidden role in ¡®Developing Tibet.¡± Others mutilate or injure themselves in an effort to avoid the work. Inmates who fall behind or refuse to work are shocked with electric batons, beaten, sexually assaulted, or thrown into solitary confinement. Among those that make up the population in these labor camps are criminals, political prisoners, and practitioners of the spiritual practice Falun Gong, who reportedly now make up to half of those detained in the Laogai labor system.

Who Uses Slave Labor?

Forced labor has become both a form a torture and a source of great profit for China. With the enormous amount of free labor that comes from Laogai, China has lured many overseas businesses into its profit-through-slave-labor system. With ridiculously cheap wholesale labor costs many cannot resist the bait and unknowingly come to support this illegal practice.

Common everyday products ranging from artificial Christmas trees, Christmas tree lights, bracelets, tools and foodstuffs, et cetera are among some of the products manufactured and exported from these facilities. According to a 1998 House Committee on International Relations report, companies who reportedly have or had products made in China¡¯s Laogai are Midas, Staples, Chrysler, and Nestle¡ä. A recent report from one detainee in the Changji Labor Camp in Xinjiang states the Tianshan Wooltex Stock Corporation Ltd., a contractor to Changji Labor Camp, makes products for overseas companies such as Banana Republic, Neiman Marcus, Bon Genie, Holt Renfrew, French Connection and others. Orders from Banana Republic number between 200,000 and 280,000 pieces a year.

The products made in these facilities are produced by people who are forced to work in unsafe and unhealthy conditions. Detainees in Laogai have said that because of malnutrition, sleep deprivation and stress they often contract lice, scabies, hepatitis, tuberculosis, and other ailments. Sick detainees are still forced to work. Many are not allowed to take showers for long periods of time, allowing all manner of bodily substances to come into contact with the items they manufacture. These products are then shipped all over the world.

Stopping Laogai Products

Laws on the books that outlaw slave labor products have not been able to stop the tide of illegally and inhumanely manufactured merchandise from being shipped and traded worldwide. For example, since 1983 it has been illegal to import goods into the United States made through using slave labor. According to the Laogai Research Foundation China¡¯s government publicly guaranteed to stop the export of slave labor products in October 1991.

In 1992, China and the United States signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) in an effort to enable the US access to information it needed to control its import ban on prison labor products. According to this MOU the Chinese government had committed itself to investigating all claims of slave labor.

The agreement proved to be worth little in real results, given the profits China stood to lose from its free source of labor the Laogai system provides. Brushing aside requests from the US for answers on the issue, China provides ¡°sanitized¡± camps for inspectors. Other tactics used to ensure production continues include false holding companies, changing addresses, and mixing labor camp output and non-prison businesses together.

¡°Thus, the commercial exploitation of slaves in China¡¯s labor camps is effectively an open secret in the world of commerce,¡± says Harry Wu, founder of the Laogai Research Foundation.

The High Cost of China's Laogai
(By Riordan Galluccio, The Epoch Times, 3/24/2004)


317 posted on 03/22/2005 8:22:22 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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