12ga shotgun vs. 2 boats of Pirates

The Highroad ^ | March 11, 2005 | Rodney J. Nowlin, USN Retire

[El Gato]

unaware that an American yacht might be armed,

Hmm, wonder what flag the yachts were sailing under? Too bad they weren't each armed with a Ma Deuce, or maybe a 7.62 Gatling, either way loaded with API.

[El Gato]

Declaring an M1A or an AR-10 is on a level with declaring ten pounds of C-4 or heroin. BIG problems!

I think I'd rather hide the hardware and risk getting caught and losing the boat, going to jail, or having to pay a big fine bribe, etc, than face pirates with nothing but a 12 gauge. Although I'm glad they had the 12 ga.

[Cold Heart]

The searches can be extreme. My first captains job was on a tanker that shuttled in the North Sea. Prior to my boarding, the British customs darn near took that 90,000 ton ship apart with screw drivers looking for drugs.

Another thing that is considered illegal in some countries is what is called "hides". A compartment to smuggle or "hide" things.

[Travis McGee]

Rust is not a big problem for blued steel guns on boats, in my experience. Just an occasional wipedown with an impregnated cloth.

[Travis McGee]

Darn right!

[Travis McGee]

To declare, or not to declare, that is the yachties' question. Pros and cons either way, and I've done both.

[Travis McGee]

Exactly. A hiding place "proves" intent to smuggle. One must be very careful in how this is done. Subtle.

[mamelukesabre]

I don't remember ever firing a benelli. But I do remember one time I fired a bottom eject 12 ga that seemed to kick too hard for the loads that were in it.

I've heard people complain about the old browning humpback for several reasons...too heavy, whacks your shoulder too hard and cycles too slow.

But I personally never noticed any discomfort from it in either way, although it is a bit slow, but so are all auto shotguns. It's one of my favorite shotguns. I like auto fives alot. In fact, it's happens to be the only auto shotgun that I like at all. My opinion is that there are two kinds of shotguns, slow and fast. autos are slow, and everything else is fast. So when I hear someone complain about a slow cycling auto, it just doesn't make sense to me. If you want fast, get a pump or a double.

[TC Rider]

I've got an old Remington 11 (A Browning 5 in American clothes), it's a duck gun and easy to shoot.

My Remington 1100 Combat Master cycles faster than I can shoot it.

[mamelukesabre]

There's no shotgun made(that I know of) that will shoot faster than an old style pumpgun that will let you hold the trigger down and pump away cowboy style. I've beat buddies(speed wise) that have very expensive baretta auto shotguns using just my plain old monkey wards model 35 or my old winchester model 12. I'm just a tad faster with the 35 though, because the grip style is a bit more comfortable for me.

One friend of mine, who has both the pump version of your gun, and your gun, and also a pump action 30-06 remington with hi-cap magazines(he's a huge remington fan), went clay pigeon shooting with me and the first time he heard me do my rapid fire thing, it scared the * out of him. He thought my gun exploded and he actually hit the dirt.

That pump action rifle is kinda cool, although I'm not too sure how usefull it is. With a scope on it, it's nearly impossible to stay on target while pumping it for a quick second shot. It sorta defeats the purpose in my opinion. I'd probably conclude that with a rifle that powerful and that powerfull of a scope, pump action doesn't give you any advantage over a bolt action.

In case you can't tell, I really like pump action. I'm also a little partial to 16 ga. Although, I must admit I find those really short 12 ga rounds made for cops very interesting. If I could get a pump gun with a really short action that only chambers those shorty twelves, I might like it better. Better yet, if someone would apply that same philosophy to a 10 ga round...a super shorty ten ga gun...now THAT would be quite the little scattergun. Something like that would most definitely cause me and my greenbacks to part.

[Redcloak]

A predictable outcome when one of the boats is named Gandalf.

Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.

[TC Rider]

I can't honestly say which is quicker, but some young cops kick my ass at every 3 gun match using 870 pumps.

[Southack]

"It's not a question of affording the weaponry, it's the legality of possessing them in most countries where you must stop over. Declaring an M1A or an AR-10 is on a level with declaring ten pounds of C-4 or heroin. BIG problems!"

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[Travis McGee]

I'll look into these, but my memory is that past inventions which adapted flare guns to fire ammo have been shut down by the BATFE.

[maica]

Hi Trav

[AdamSelene235]

Interesting toy. But I'd prefer mine in 454 Casull.