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Canadians face LONG waits for health care
Associated Press ^ | 03/19/05 | Beth Duff-Brown

Posted on 03/19/2005 7:14:19 PM PST by Heartofsong83

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To: dfwgator
Yep. And in Ontario, the provincial Liberals have seen to it you pay extra for certain privatized services. That's on top of what one already pays into the Ontario Health Plan.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
41 posted on 03/19/2005 9:28:49 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Heartofsong83
George Zeliotis told the court he suffered pain and became addicted to painkillers during a yearlong wait for hip replacement surgery,...

My (American) mom broke her hip. It's a horribly painful experience. She got surgery within 48 hours. If someone wants to pay for surgery and some doctor wants to perform it in exchange for pay, for the government to prohibit them from making this exchange strikes me as an elementary violation of the most basic human rights. It is really disgraceful, far worse as a human-rights matter than the 45 million (or whatever it is) Americans without health insurance.

42 posted on 03/19/2005 9:31:03 PM PST by untenured
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To: goldstategop

Yep, that was universally hated from the "Fiberals". They increased taxes AND eliminated several services...it's about $1,200 a year in increased taxes for middle-class families, on top of existing taxes. And you get less for it.


43 posted on 03/19/2005 9:31:08 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83
I believe John Tory won the riding of Dufferin-Wellington-Peel-Grey Sound in a Ontario Parliament by-election this past Thursday on the theme of you "Pay More And Get Less With The Liberals." Its a wonderful way to run a government. No private business could for long continue operating with that kind of mindset. Then again, politicians believe themselves to be exempt from the rules that apply to others.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 03/19/2005 9:37:23 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Major Matt Mason
So, is this 45 million figure real, or is it made up by some liberal think tank to simply demagogue the issue?

It's typical liberal distortion and half-truth-telling, designed to make something appear much worse than it is so yes, they can demagogue an issue. For one thing, that 45 million number includes lots of young people who voluntarily opt out of health insurance plans, preferring to spend their money on other things while they're young and then picking up insurance when they get older, and they're more likely to need it.

45 posted on 03/19/2005 9:40:05 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: goldstategop

Yes he did. 56% of the vote.

He has been described as a "Red Tory" (same as your RINO) though - he supports abortion, gay marriage and gun control, for example. That reduced the turnout as the hard right had nowhere to turn. He comes from Toronto, but was forced to run there because the Conservatives have no seats in Toronto.

He is also at odds with most of the current Tory members, who are hardline conservatives representing rural ridings.


46 posted on 03/19/2005 10:00:45 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83
(Blast from the past.)

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Hospital Hell (Dan Aykroyd on Socialized Medicine)
The New York Post ^ | 11-19-2003 | Richard Johnson

Posted on 11/20/2003 3:15:45 AM EST by Lancey Howard

November 19, 2003 -- DAN Aykroyd is no fan of the bureaucratic bungling and cut-rate care of socialized medicine. "One place you don't want to get sick is Quebec," the Canadian actor advised us after a screening of Denys Arcand's 'The Barbarian Invasions.'

"It's all socialized. Believe me, you don't want to go to a hospital there."

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47 posted on 03/19/2005 10:07:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Et in Arcadia Ego

" Et in Arcadia Ego"

Even in Arcadia I (i.e. Death) am to be found.

Not only are you quoting Poussin's ironic refererce of Virgil on FR but you're doing it ironically.

I'll take the opportunity to ask you an ironic question.

Do you have a death wish?


48 posted on 03/19/2005 11:58:36 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Heartofsong83
The provincial PC MPP's and federal CP MP's represent the same ridings. Rural and small town Ontario. Conservatives are shut out of Windsor, London, the Greater Toronto Area, Hamilton, St. Catherines, Niagara Falls, Kingston and Ottawa that's dominated by Liberals and New Democrats. Quite frankly, unless conservatives can make a breakthrough in the suburbs, I don't they'll form a government in either Ontario or Canada in the forseeable future.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
49 posted on 03/20/2005 12:10:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Heartofsong83
The provincial PC MPP's and federal CP MP's represent the same ridings. Rural and small town Ontario. Conservatives are shut out of Windsor, London, the Greater Toronto Area, Hamilton, St. Catherines, Niagara Falls, Kingston and Ottawa that's dominated by Liberals and New Democrats. Quite frankly, unless conservatives can make a breakthrough in the suburbs, I don't think they'll form a government in either Ontario or Canada in the forseeable future.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
50 posted on 03/20/2005 12:11:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ethrane

I lived in Canada for a time and it was quite amusing. Because Veternarians are not ran by the government in Canada(although they tightly limit supply).. pets have better and faster healthcare service then Canadian citizens themselves.

My friends grandfather needed surgery and it took a year and a half on the waiting list. Meanwhile his dog broke was running too fast down a rocky hill and hurt himself. The dog went in for surgery later that day, and was recovered completely in a few weeks.

There is also far less regulations on medications you can give to pets, so for pain killers as an example, the pets have access to much more powerful and effective(and cheaper) medication. Infact some Canadians when they bring their pets into get treated, get the vet to perscribe additional medication for their own problems.


51 posted on 03/20/2005 12:33:35 AM PST by ran15
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To: plangent

Yeah, that is some statistic. No wonder they hate us. 1/2 their money goes to the gov't. Tremendous!


52 posted on 03/20/2005 12:49:26 AM PST by jocon307
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To: untenured
If someone wants to pay for surgery and some doctor wants to perform it in exchange for pay, for the government to prohibit them from making this exchange strikes me as an elementary violation of the most basic human rights.

Yes. I agree. In addition, it proves that liberals are against a woman's right to control her body.

So liberals are pro-choice on abortion, and anti-choice on hip surgery.

Here's another such example:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132785,00.html

Government planners control monetary costs by shifting non-monetary costs on to patients. The system then prohibits Canadians from avoiding those non-monetary costs by paying out of pocket for their care, unless they leave the country.

That’s exactly what former champion figure skater Audrey Williams did. After waiting two years for a hip replacement in Vancouver, B.C., she traveled to Washington State and paid $25,000 to stop the pain.

“I couldn’t wait any longer,” the 71-year-old Williams told the National Post. She could barely walk, wasn’t getting enough sleep, and pain pills had upset her stomach. “I wanted a life.”

53 posted on 03/20/2005 7:35:04 AM PST by grundle
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To: goldstategop

That is pretty much right.

There are a couple exceptions:

-Oshawa is represented by Conservatives at both levels and Niagara Falls at the federal level, but that was because they squeaked out three-way races (won with about 35%).
-The western Ottawa suburbs are staunchly Conservative.

The largest cities that lean Conservative would be Barrie and Cambridge.


54 posted on 03/20/2005 8:22:06 AM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83
Dalton McGuinty, the current Premier represents Ottawa South. Its the same riding his father held. I think the general opinion in Ontario is he's out of his depth as the Province's leader just like Paul Martin is unimpressive as Canada's Prime Minister. There's something about the Liberals that they no longer produce leaders with the stature of Wilfried Laurier and William Lyon Mackenizie King.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
55 posted on 03/20/2005 8:27:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Heartofsong83
The pressure to socialize medicine is still strong in the US.

The latest arguments are being made around the idea that it will "save money" if we combine all social health program funds into one single payer system, and eliminate all the "third party waste". California's Senator Sheila Khuel is stroking her political base with this concept, and backlash against high premiums and increased consumerism is giving her proposal some headway. Beware the socialistic take over of healthcare--the opposition is dressing it up as a cost saving measure, and using the inefficiency of all the current public health programs as an example of how we can "save money" by combining.
56 posted on 03/20/2005 9:00:43 AM PST by Wiseghy (Go Gov. Arnie!!!)
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To: Wiseghy

Third party waste should be eliminated, but that will become first party waste if socialized.


57 posted on 03/20/2005 10:03:29 AM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: rdl6989

The amount of Canadians coming to the US is vastly overblown in the US media. Its not that they don't want to go for superior treatment though, its that they can't afford it.


58 posted on 03/23/2005 3:27:11 PM PST by rasblue
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To: ran15

Absolutely true. Many medications for animals are the exact same as for humans but at a 1/5 of the cost. Did you know that its so bad in Ontario that some people book MRI for dogs and then use the MRI themselves because of course paying to "skip the line" is immoral to a socialist society such as Canada.
Health Care is the frontline of the class war in Canada.


59 posted on 03/23/2005 3:36:08 PM PST by rasblue
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