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To: Alia; tgslTakoma; kristinn; BillF; Jumpin Jack; Flora McDonald; Doctor Raoul; TaxRelief; ...

I wonder if any of you have read this piece yet (excerpts below)...

Fog of War

By Dick J. Reavis, AlterNet.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21550/

"...The Fayetteville demonstration, more like an Americana July 4th picnic than any Days of Rage, was as placid and serene as the weather that day, temperatures in the low 60s, dry, cloudy skies. No one keened or got red in the face, nobody clashed with the fascists, and policemen's boots didn't lose their spit-shines. The protestors were clad in loose-fitting, informal garb, jeans, cotton windbreakers and sweatshirts, athletics shoes and baseball caps. More than 90 percent of them were white – "middle-class hippies" of all ages, one participant quipped....


...Americans, complain as they may, are never, ever, alone. Commerce accompanies us from conception to the far side of the Golden Gates. By the time that the marchers arrived, politically correct vendors had laid merchandise atop 40 tables on the east side of the speaker's kiosk. Merchants at this Green-Beret-city bazaar brought with them pins and buttons of 900 designs, and probably more books than escaped the looting and fires at libraries in Iraq.

Most of the merchants represented pastel peace groups and mild-mannered petition societies, but Trotsky's disciples – of a half-dozen stripes – brought tables too, laden with literature that scientifically proves that pacifists, peace Democrats and former comrades from the adjoining Trotsky table have all taken part in the Revolution Betrayed...

...But not even a Jefferson, a Frederick Douglas or Karl Marx can convey a life-changing message, nor present any significant analysis, in a 90-second span...

...Michael Hardt, an English professor at Duke University, is co-author with Italian Antonio Negri of two recent tomes on globalization and the perspectives of protest. Though he did not attend the Fayetteville action – he was on a plane in return from France – Hardt claims to know why the demonstrations were not bigger and better, everywhere.

"When movements grow is when they propose the agenda for change," he declares. "One of the effects of the war on terror is that all we are doing is reacting. The anti-war movement has become a failure because it has conceded the terrain of issues to the pro-war people."

Hardt's general argument is that oppositionists should struggle to implement their unredacted dreams, for a full vision of the lives they want to live, not for a list reforms, bargain items underlined in red."


433 posted on 03/22/2005 3:34:21 AM PST by Huber (Conservatism - It's not just for breakfast anymore!)
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To: Huber; Clemenza; Cacique; lavrenti; rmlew; Fedora
My favorite moment of this past weekend's demonstrations was when a woman from the former Socialist Worker's Party asked me if I wanted a copy of their flagship newspaper.

Of course, it carried the hefty price tag of fifty cents.

FIFTY CENTS!

Keep in mind, there are professionally published dailies, with staff that actually bear journalism degrees, who do not charge that much for a copy of their newspaper.

(Prolonged eye roll.)

-good times, G.J.P. (Jr.)

434 posted on 03/22/2005 3:56:51 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Protagoras was the leading SOPHIST of his day. Think about it.)
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To: Huber
Fascinating article, Huber -- thanks for posting. Of course it doesn't at all occur to the Duke Prof that fewer people are attending the anti-military protests, simply because they realize they wish to live, to be defended against more murderous attacks on our citizens?

Of course not.

In the 60s, it was Simone Beauvoir who coined and ranted (rasped) FOR the "little death". Sexual. Now the left is ranting FOR the "larger death", as in permanent.

The left hasn't grown much in all these years if that's the kind of intellectual leap they propose as a "movement."

People are choosing "Life" in increasing numbers, and this depresses the left.

These anti-military protests this past weekend "pretend" to be FOR the lives of the military. They aren't. Therefore their own message is diluted, and they can't figure out the reason why beyond some "vast "growth in government" conspiracy"?

The left's effective message, using current news is:

We support Terri Shiavo's humanness, but we totally disagree with everything she represents.

Think about this -- how can a movement grow, nor even survive, such an unclear message.

443 posted on 03/22/2005 5:18:16 AM PST by Alia
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To: Huber
Commerce accompanies us from conception to the far side of the Golden Gates.

Golden Gates? How about some Pearly ones? Atheists shouldn't dabble in religion to try and appeal to "People of Faith".

445 posted on 03/22/2005 5:40:16 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Reporter)
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To: Huber
...policemen's boots didn't lose their spit-shines.

Guess that is one of the Angry Left's MAIN criteria for a "good protest".

I thought they were there to "win hearts and minds"?

452 posted on 03/22/2005 6:10:33 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Reporter)
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