Posted on 03/19/2005 4:30:22 PM PST by ambrose
Let's put it this way: If you were in a PVS, you wouldn't care whether or not someone killed you. If you weren't, you would.
Would you agree with my deduction that Schiavo, Felos, and Greer are all well aware that Terri is not only not PVS, but is sufficiently "not PVS" that there's a real likelihood than an independent examination of an undrugged Terri would prove they were deliberately sandbagging her condition?
That depends on what efforts are taken to ensure it's accuracy. If you diagnose someone as PVS, predicting they'll never recover, and then shoot in the head with a twelve gauge, there's a pretty strong likelihood your prediction will be correct. In you diagnose someone as PVS without attempting therapy, but then therapy is given, there's a much stronger likelihood the prediction will be wrong.
PVS is a difficult diagnosis because someone who's cognitive 1% of the time and seemingly-vegetative 99% of the time is not PVS. The notion that a single 45-minute exam is sufficient to judge someone PVS is absurd, especially if there's any possibility the subject was sedated by someone who wanted a PVS diagnosis.
In fact, an absolutely solid PVS diagnosis is fundamentally impossible because it would mean that there exists no type of stimulus that would produce any type of cognitive response. Given the wide range of possible stimuli and responses, there is no plausible way to test them all. So what a PVS diagnosis usually means is that a doctor has given up looking.
I'm well aware of that.
Read the following, particularly the complete report of Dr. William Hammesfahr.
Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart Attack Lies
I wouldn't let that man fix my car - nor would anyone else I've talked to. Don't get me started on the nonsense he's spewed.
Suffice it to say his comments under oath were at least more careful.
Bravo Sierra, and you don't even bother to ping the person you accuse of lying.
Don't recall accusation of lying, bub.
Provide a link to the particular post then.
And BTW, thanks for calling my attention to that one. I was in grave error ... it was Trantulas who kept insisting that Terri is brain dead and thus would not recognize pain. My apologies to TT ... and my thanks to you BigSky. [Slinks away with tail firmly between the proverbial legs and face plenty red now ...]
You've had a long day, this particular person you've now cited (Trantula), doesn't exist.
I think he meant it might as well be lying unless one is sure she can't feel pain.
It upsets me so badly because my position has been the opposite - we should never assume that. It's what spurred my discussion with supercat - I get upset at those who don't want her sedated.
My goodness, I've been dehydrate just a part of what she will be - I can't bear to think of her feeling even that much pain.
And I must freepmail 3 people a day telling them she isn't brain dead.
Yes, that will be the reason for the push for lethal injections already now available in the state of Oregon. What a pandora's box your thinking has opened.
Only difference is, those people want to be euthanized. Kervorkian is allowing people to have a peaceful death, he's not forcing people to have a peaceful death.
OK. Apology accepted.
But you owe me, buster. You made me use 4 exclamation points and get upset. I hate that. lol
Sheesh.
I'm ready to go back to the immigration threads where things are relatively peaceful.
(Thank you for defending my honor, BigSky)
You're welcome.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1364628/posts?page=145#145 ... gone already?
Uh, that would be the following; #145 was my lashing out at it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1364628/posts?page=125#125
I do indeed owe you, big time!
I took care of both my mom and dad at home, until they died...mom and dad wished for no measures to be taken to prolong them...they were extremely adamant about this...
It was difficult as you say, to watch them as they went through the dying process...dad had cancer, and ate very little in his last days, tho he drank considerably more than he ate...
Mom died in the last stage of Alzheimers...I offered her food and drink 6 times a day...sometimes she would take it, more often she would refuse it, ,and I never forced her...
There were pressures put on me, by dads doc at the time, and moms visiting nurse at the time, to have them put on tube feedings...but my parents greatly feared this, and had made me know, long before they were ill, that they wished no tube to feed them...I had to make the doc and nurse understand, that by inserting a feeding tube, they were actually assaulting my parents, who want no such tube...
Yes, tube feeding would have prolonged both my mom and my dad...but it would have prolonged their suffering....dad was in extreme pain physically, and mom had several problems other then her Alzheimers....they lived long happy lives, and wished that I, their daughter, would respect their own wishes for their dying process...
And I did respect it...but as you say, it was difficult...its never easy watching a parent die...
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