Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

SCHIAVO Q&A
Palm Beach Post ^ | 3.19.05

Posted on 03/19/2005 4:30:22 PM PST by ambrose

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 121-125 next last
To: eccentric
How accurate is a PVS diagnosis?

Let's put it this way: If you were in a PVS, you wouldn't care whether or not someone killed you. If you weren't, you would.

61 posted on 03/19/2005 6:22:29 PM PST by vanagoner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Sola Veritas
That isn't just speculation my friend, it is a solid logical deduction.

Would you agree with my deduction that Schiavo, Felos, and Greer are all well aware that Terri is not only not PVS, but is sufficiently "not PVS" that there's a real likelihood than an independent examination of an undrugged Terri would prove they were deliberately sandbagging her condition?

62 posted on 03/19/2005 6:25:34 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: eccentric
How accurate is a PVS diagnosis?

That depends on what efforts are taken to ensure it's accuracy. If you diagnose someone as PVS, predicting they'll never recover, and then shoot in the head with a twelve gauge, there's a pretty strong likelihood your prediction will be correct. In you diagnose someone as PVS without attempting therapy, but then therapy is given, there's a much stronger likelihood the prediction will be wrong.

PVS is a difficult diagnosis because someone who's cognitive 1% of the time and seemingly-vegetative 99% of the time is not PVS. The notion that a single 45-minute exam is sufficient to judge someone PVS is absurd, especially if there's any possibility the subject was sedated by someone who wanted a PVS diagnosis.

In fact, an absolutely solid PVS diagnosis is fundamentally impossible because it would mean that there exists no type of stimulus that would produce any type of cognitive response. Given the wide range of possible stimuli and responses, there is no plausible way to test them all. So what a PVS diagnosis usually means is that a doctor has given up looking.

63 posted on 03/19/2005 6:33:47 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx
Cardiac arrest is not a heart attack.

I'm well aware of that.

Read the following, particularly the complete report of Dr. William Hammesfahr.

Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart Attack Lies

64 posted on 03/19/2005 7:40:15 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN; supercat
TT has asserted on other threads that Terri is brain dead and won't recognize pain ... but you can continue to exchange with itr, we're all enjoying your clear thinking, my friend.


Excuse me? How dare you. Read my posting history and show where I said those things.


I have actually corrected *numerous people here, and elsewhere, for saying she is brain dead! I've said that I'm not even sure she is PVS!

And I would not dare assume she cannot feel pain even if her EEG showed no reaction to it! Ask supercat - I've demanded from the beginning that they sedate her.

Heck, I was complaining last week about Michael's assuming she was unaware and hadn't stimulated her!


And what kind of a man are you to falsely accuse me *and* try to hide it by not pinging me. And you call me an "it"?

Read my history. Note the other things I said that show just how unjust your accusation is

Most of all, note that your behavior here just supports my (and many others') contention that there is a serious integrity problem with some of you.
65 posted on 03/19/2005 8:05:17 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed, again, nick)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: A.A. Cunningham

I wouldn't let that man fix my car - nor would anyone else I've talked to. Don't get me started on the nonsense he's spewed.


Suffice it to say his comments under oath were at least more careful.


66 posted on 03/19/2005 8:09:32 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed, again, nick)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN
TT has asserted on other threads that Terri is brain dead and won't recognize pain ...

Bravo Sierra, and you don't even bother to ping the person you accuse of lying.

67 posted on 03/19/2005 8:38:43 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: BigSkyFreeper

Don't recall accusation of lying, bub.


68 posted on 03/19/2005 8:42:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN
Don't recall accusation of lying, bub.

Provide a link to the particular post then.

69 posted on 03/19/2005 8:45:51 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: BigSkyFreeper; Trinity_Tx

And BTW, thanks for calling my attention to that one. I was in grave error ... it was Trantulas who kept insisting that Terri is brain dead and thus would not recognize pain. My apologies to TT ... and my thanks to you BigSky. [Slinks away with tail firmly between the proverbial legs and face plenty red now ...]


70 posted on 03/19/2005 8:46:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN
... it was Trantulas who kept insisting that Terri is brain dead and thus would not recognize pain.

You've had a long day, this particular person you've now cited (Trantula), doesn't exist.

71 posted on 03/19/2005 8:49:44 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN; BigSkyFreeper

I think he meant it might as well be lying unless one is sure she can't feel pain.

It upsets me so badly because my position has been the opposite - we should never assume that. It's what spurred my discussion with supercat - I get upset at those who don't want her sedated.

My goodness, I've been dehydrate just a part of what she will be - I can't bear to think of her feeling even that much pain.

And I must freepmail 3 people a day telling them she isn't brain dead.


72 posted on 03/19/2005 8:51:10 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed, again, nick)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: FairOpinion

Yes, that will be the reason for the push for lethal injections already now available in the state of Oregon. What a pandora's box your thinking has opened.


73 posted on 03/19/2005 8:53:08 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: FairOpinion
Actually Kevorkian is allowing people to actually have a peaceful death,...

Only difference is, those people want to be euthanized. Kervorkian is allowing people to have a peaceful death, he's not forcing people to have a peaceful death.

74 posted on 03/19/2005 8:57:15 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN; BigSkyFreeper

OK. Apology accepted.

But you owe me, buster. You made me use 4 exclamation points and get upset. I hate that. lol




Sheesh.
I'm ready to go back to the immigration threads where things are relatively peaceful.


(Thank you for defending my honor, BigSky)


75 posted on 03/19/2005 8:58:12 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed, again, nick)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx
(Thank you for defending my honor, BigSky)

You're welcome.

76 posted on 03/19/2005 9:00:34 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: BigSkyFreeper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1364628/posts?page=145#145 ... gone already?


77 posted on 03/19/2005 9:01:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

Uh, that would be the following; #145 was my lashing out at it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1364628/posts?page=125#125


78 posted on 03/19/2005 9:03:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx

I do indeed owe you, big time!


79 posted on 03/19/2005 9:04:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Irene Adler

I took care of both my mom and dad at home, until they died...mom and dad wished for no measures to be taken to prolong them...they were extremely adamant about this...

It was difficult as you say, to watch them as they went through the dying process...dad had cancer, and ate very little in his last days, tho he drank considerably more than he ate...

Mom died in the last stage of Alzheimers...I offered her food and drink 6 times a day...sometimes she would take it, more often she would refuse it, ,and I never forced her...

There were pressures put on me, by dads doc at the time, and moms visiting nurse at the time, to have them put on tube feedings...but my parents greatly feared this, and had made me know, long before they were ill, that they wished no tube to feed them...I had to make the doc and nurse understand, that by inserting a feeding tube, they were actually assaulting my parents, who want no such tube...

Yes, tube feeding would have prolonged both my mom and my dad...but it would have prolonged their suffering....dad was in extreme pain physically, and mom had several problems other then her Alzheimers....they lived long happy lives, and wished that I, their daughter, would respect their own wishes for their dying process...

And I did respect it...but as you say, it was difficult...its never easy watching a parent die...


80 posted on 03/19/2005 9:04:32 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 121-125 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson