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Terri's husband isn't the enemy, guardian says
Orlando Sentinel ^ | February 25, 2005 | Mike Thomas

Posted on 03/19/2005 9:18:52 AM PST by EveningStar

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To: sinkspur
Yep. And the sad thing is, the fanatical zealots out there are too deep into their echo chamber to realize how they look to a vast swath of Americans. But then, they also thought that the last election showed that they "were in charge".

Dealing with reality is not the strong suit of the zealot, no matter the cause.

921 posted on 03/20/2005 8:13:38 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Hildy

When did Michael get the money?


922 posted on 03/20/2005 8:24:24 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

in 1993 Michael won $300,000 for loss of consortium and the million was put into a trust for Terri.


923 posted on 03/20/2005 8:37:13 PM PST by Hildy
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To: agrace
In Addition:

May 1992… Michael and the Schindlers stop living together

January 1993… Michael recovers $1 million settlement for medical malpractice claim involving Terri's care; jury had ruled in Michael's favor on allegations Terri's doctors failed to diagnose her bulimia, which led to her heart failure; case settled while on appeal

March 1994… Terri is transferred to a Largo nursing home

May 1998… Michael files petition for court to determine whether Terri's feeding tube should be removed; Michael takes position that Terri would chose to remove the tube; Terri's parents take position that Terri would chose not to remove the tube

So, it takes another five years after the settlement is received for Michael to petition the courts.

924 posted on 03/20/2005 8:41:59 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy

My point - it's not surprising that before he won the lawsuit, he was a bit more attentive. And while it may have taken five years for him to petition the court to remove the feeding tube, it was only a few months after award of the settlement that he began to deny care.

The settlement was awarded in Nov 92. In February 93, Michael denied Terri therapy and placed a DNR on her chart.


925 posted on 03/20/2005 8:52:24 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

Don't you realize that it was at the trial where Dr.'s testified repeatedly that she would never recover. It makes perfect sense. He tried the first four years, along with her parents. But at some point he accepted that it was over. Her parents never accepted that. And that's why we are where we are today.


926 posted on 03/20/2005 8:59:05 PM PST by Hildy
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To: meema; OldFriend
Terri's parents hate Michael more than they love their daughter and therein lies the dilemma.

I do not understand them, I'll admit. I was taught that hatred and anger at someone who harmed you would certainly end up destroying the hater. I could never live like that.

Just a reminder: That is OldFriend's opinion. That is not established fact.

927 posted on 03/20/2005 9:02:59 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Hildy
Answer this - if Michael expected Terri to recover, why did he sue for loss of consortium?

It wasn't anticipated that she would ever be the wife she once was, because the lawsuit was about compensation for future loss - and the money awarded to Terri herself was to help Michael take care of her in her current state. He specifically asked for compensation for future medical care, and he and his lawyers estimated her life expectancy at fifty years.

928 posted on 03/20/2005 9:27:32 PM PST by agrace
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To: Peach
But they don't tell ya that to do that kind of test would zap that metal electrode planted in her brain.

That's correct, and that is why doctors asked Michael to have the implants removed so that they they could run the scan.

The implants were never removed.

In 2002, they ran every other test - EEGs, CT scans, labs, etc., and 5 docs examined them and her to confirm what all her previous docs and therapists said - that she was both in PVS and that no current therapy could help her.

And yet no PET scans or MRIs. No removal of the implants.

The Schindlers have 50 board certified neurologists who have signed on arguing that the proper tests be run. It would also help if the doactually spent more than 10 minutes evaluating her behavior. It's simply not tenable to say that the examinations done so far are in any way adequate to make an diagnosis of PVS.

As Fr. Rob Johanson recounts:

...Terri’s diagnosis was arrived at without the benefit of testing that most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing PVS. One such test is MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). MRI is widely used today, even for ailments as simple as knee injuries — but Terri has never had one. Michael has repeatedly refused to consent to one. The neurologists I have spoken to have reacted with shock upon learning this fact. One such neurologist is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a researcher specializing in degenerative brain diseases, and has both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Boston University.

In the course of my conversation with Dr. Morin, he made reference to the standard use of MRI and PET (Positron Emission Tomography) scans to diagnose the extent of brain injuries. He seemed to assume that these had been done for Terri. I stopped him and told him that these tests have never been done for her; that Michael had refused them.

There was a moment of dead silence.

“That’s criminal,” he said, and then asked, in a tone of utter incredulity: “How can he continue as guardian? People are deliberating over this woman’s life and death and there’s been no MRI or PET?” He drew a reasonable conclusion: “These people [Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Judge Greer] don’t want the information.”

Dr. Morin explained that he would feel obligated to obtain the information in these tests before making a diagnosis with life and death consequences. I told him that CT (Computer-Aided Tomography) scans had been done, and were partly the basis for the finding of PVS. The doctor retorted, “Spare no expense, eh?” I asked him to explain the comment; he said that a CT scan is a much less expensive test than an MRI, but it “only gives you a tenth of the information an MRI does.” He added, “A CT scan is useful only in pretty severe cases, such as trauma, and also during the few days after an anoxic (lack of oxygen) brain injury. It’s useful in an emergency-room setting. But if the question is ischemic injury [brain damage caused by lack of blood/oxygen to part of the brain] you want an MRI and PET. For subsequent evaluation of brain injury, the CT is pretty useless unless there has been a massive stroke.”

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929 posted on 03/21/2005 4:55:48 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: daylate-dollarshort
I don't doubt that Michael Schiavo may have refused them. Terri Schiavo still has the thalmic stimulator implanted in what's left of her brain. An MRI is not a procedure that would be recommended as a result.

He was asked to have the implants removed.

He never did.

I wonder why.

930 posted on 03/21/2005 4:57:38 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Hildy
Don't you realize that it was at the trial where Dr.'s testified repeatedly that she would never recover. It makes perfect sense. He tried the first four years, along with her parents. But at some point he accepted that it was over. Her parents never accepted that. And that's why we are where we are today.

That certainly explains why he felt no compunction about living with a woman on the side while his wife was still alive.

931 posted on 03/21/2005 4:59:23 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: OldFriend
The only consolation is that Terri has no idea what is swirling around her.

Unfortunately, we really have no way of knowing that.

932 posted on 03/21/2005 5:01:29 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Hildy

At this point, it's obvious MS has won his case and the feeding tube won't be put back in. I just want to know why Terri is being denied last rights according to the Catholic church.


933 posted on 03/21/2005 5:01:34 AM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: Peach

Terri can't have an MRI. She's electrodes in her head which render that an impossibility.


Those electrodes CAN BE REMOVED.

Yes HER FRIEND testified in court and her "entire" family isn't wrong - only her hubby's side!


934 posted on 03/21/2005 5:03:59 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: Howlin

No one in Terri's family nor her husband ever said there was any evidence that Terri had bulimia - the court ruled that she had it and it was misdiagnosed - so you would have me believe that she had bulimia so severely that NO ONE SHE KNEW had any idea including her husband her apparently though knows everything else about her - right?

Right.


935 posted on 03/21/2005 5:08:10 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: Hildy

Bulimia is a secret disease. It's not something you go around telling everyone. It's been established that she was bulimic

I'm sorry but I do NOT believe that someone who was bulimic enough to reduce her weight from 250 to what, 110, could do that without ANYONE knowing. Not very likely.


936 posted on 03/21/2005 5:09:19 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: TruthConquers

You're welcome. I get so mad when I keep reading about wonderful Mickey offering to "give up" Terri's money - yeah right, as long as Terri's death is part of the package.


937 posted on 03/21/2005 5:10:46 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: Howlin

I'll go you one further. Post ANYTHING from ANYONE who knew Terri Schavio including her hubby that says they knew she had bulimia or saw any doctor for it, period. You can't.


938 posted on 03/21/2005 5:13:16 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: Long Cut
Political capital is not endless, and the fanatical prolifers have depleted quite a bit here, both for themselves AND for the GOP.

"Fanatical pro-lifers." Nice ad hominem.

I'll confess I am a bit fanatical when it comes to the defense of human life. Especially the most defenseless: the old; the infirm; the unborn.

The alternative is Holland.

This issue has also shown that the GOP coalition does indeed have fault lines. As many have said before, they fall directly along the line between "Fiscal/National Security Conservative" and "Religio-Social Conservative". Those in group #2 have now demonstrated that things such as State's Rights, rule of law, and reason instead of emotionalism matter not a whit when they WWAAAAANNNTTTTT something.

This might be because "Religio-Social Conservatives" ultimately believe they answer to a higher law.

It was the law to ship Jews off to the death camps in Nazi Germany. Christians there in some cases for some strange reason felt duty bound not to observe all the legal niceties: the positive (human) law did not reflect the eternal law. Reductio ad Hitlerum, you say? Not at all. At least the Nazis didn't bother to cloak their judicial murders with the facade of compassion.

But then in any case no one is breaking the law here. Fanatical pro-life squads haven't kidnapped Terri or killed any judges. So far, legally, Michael Schiavo has gotten his way, in spite of the opposition of the governor, the DCF, and the legislature.

I would rather that Congress had not needed to get involved. I have as much concern for federalism as anyone. But I do admit that when a life is at stake and legal means are at hand, I can live with it. At least until a different judge than Greer is put in charge of the case.

And I'm not ready to write her life off when no one really knows just how much function Terri Schiavo has. Because the tests needed to make that evaluation simply have not ben a done. A CT scan or EEG doesn't cut it.

939 posted on 03/21/2005 5:16:56 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: greccogirl
Terri can't have an MRI. She's electrodes in her head which render that an impossibility.

So how come her MRIs are posted on the Internet?

MRI of Terri Schiavo's brain.





MRI of a normal brain.

940 posted on 03/21/2005 5:21:25 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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