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The Schiavo Case [lead NYT editorial]
New York Times ^ | 3/19/05

Posted on 03/19/2005 6:03:33 AM PST by mathprof

Congressional leaders are playing a dangerous game with their intrusion into the hotly publicized fight in Florida over maintaining life support for a severely brain-damaged woman. With state legislative and court appeals being exhausted, the House and Senate began some grim one-upsmanship to stop the removal of the feeding tube from Terri Schiavo. She is the 41-year-old woman who has been in a persistent vegetative state for the last 15 years, with her parents contesting that sad diagnosis. They also challenged the careful decisions by Florida's trial and appellate courts, based largely on the testimony of her husband that their daughter would have chosen to die rather than live indefinitely in such condition.

Congress seized the issue in the closing hours of its March budget debate. After bungled attempts to grant federal court review of the case, leaders of the two houses blamed each other for Ms. Schiavo's potential demise. They then landed on the ghoulish gimmick of postponing removal of her feeding tube by subpoenaing her to a House hearing and inviting her to a separate hearing in the Senate. The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, said that criminal law protects witnesses called before Congress "from anyone who may obstruct or impede a witness's attendance or testimony."

After considering the issue yesterday, the state appellate judge presiding over the case ordered the removal of Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube to proceed, finding Congress's intervention created no "emergency" requiring postponement. No doubt this is not the end of this painful drama. Meanwhile we can only lament the Republicans' theatrical effort to expand their so-called pro-life agenda to include intervening in a case already studied and litigated exhaustively under Florida law. Congress's rash assumption of judicial power and trampling on established state and federal constitutional precedents in "right to die" cases is nothing short of breathtaking.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigmedia; boycottstarbucks; breathtaking; culturweofdeath; euthenasia; murder; nytimes; righttolive; schiavo; starvingtodeath; terri; terrischiavo; wrongsideoflife
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To: mathprof
As usual the NYTs promotes a lie as the truth.

Look at Terri in this video and tell us again, with a straight face, that she's in a persistent vegetative state. It's amazing what these "Little Eichmanns" will say in order to promote the NYT agenda.

121 posted on 03/19/2005 9:06:41 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

Isn't it possible over the past 15 years that there has been much testimony and evidence brought to bear on both sides in each of the trials on this issue? And isn't it possible that we, on the outside, do not know what all this testimony and evidence is? And isn't it possible that the appellate court has reviewed the testimony and evidence as well? Simply because the courts arrived at a decision we do not like does not mean they did not do their jobs.


122 posted on 03/19/2005 9:08:15 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: JFK_Lib; Hildy
This is not a Congressional matter.

WRONG! They made it a Congressional matter by calling for Terri to testify.

It doesn't work that way. Just because Congress decides to butt in doesn't make it a Congressional matter.

123 posted on 03/19/2005 9:10:13 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: DCPatriot
Ummmmm, in the aftermath of the abject failure of Floriduh courts once again to get it right and in the aftermath of this pissant Pinellas county judge greer defying a legitimate pair of Congressional subpoenae by trying to arrange the murder of a subpoenaed witness, it is time for United States Marshalls to take Terri into protective custody and to take Michael Schiavo, judge greer, attorney felos, the hospice management and whoever took the dfeeding tube out into federal custody with an eye toward federal prosecution.

You may also notice as you suggest that those who do not like the law should change the law that Congress is doing exactly that. Perhaps those trying to murder Terri Schiavo by dehydration should try to change the federal laws against witness tampering and obstruction of justice, although both were on the books and applicable when the feeding tube was removed.

124 posted on 03/19/2005 9:10:24 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
That is your obligation as her husband. But I bet that you wouldn't move in with another woman and father two children by her before your wife was dead. That is my problem with Michael Schiavo. His actions make me question the sincerity of his quest. If he loves his wife so much that he feels compelled to fight to fulfill her wishes, why doesn't he respect her enough not to openly carry on with another woman?

Your statement is well taken but it's irrelevent.

He is her husband regardless of of the other issues. The courts have spoken and the State has played out it's string. Let's hope for a miracle but don't intervene when it's not your business.

125 posted on 03/19/2005 9:12:30 AM PST by zarf
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To: JFK_Lib
Would sure save a bundle on Hillary Care if she ever gets elected.

That's right. Universal Healthcare isn't even law yet and they're already fighting for the means to control costs. Wait 'til it is law and every Congressman's career has the opportunity to benefit through his/her stance on controlling healthcare costs. Just try and sue for inadequate medical care when the federal government becomes the provider.

126 posted on 03/19/2005 9:13:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: texasbluebell

"Terri Schiavo is a federal witness who is in danger as we speak!"

Out of curiousity, who is paying for Shivo to remain on the machines? If it's taxpayer money, then she should be cut off and allowed to take her chances. I don't think tax money should go to keep vegetables hooked up to expensive machines.


127 posted on 03/19/2005 9:15:36 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: goldstategop
So in the absence of anything from her, we have to err on the side of the belief she wants to live. Nearly all of us do.

Nonsense. We have to rely on her power of attorney. That's the way it works.

Whatever her husbands motives are-it's irrelevent.

128 posted on 03/19/2005 9:15:45 AM PST by zarf
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To: ContraryMary

So because the courts chose to disregard the questions which are raised by Michael Schiavo's living situation it means that I should as well?


129 posted on 03/19/2005 9:17:07 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife ("It's a good life...if you don't weaken." - - my grandmother)
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To: ContraryMary

That's what they said in Alabama and Mississippi when blacks complained that they didn't get a fair shake there. "Ever thin's been done legal according to our system down here."


130 posted on 03/19/2005 9:17:26 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: DCPatriot

So, are you saying I have the right to kill my spouse?

The medical facts of her condition are in dispute. She is not being kept alive by machines - she is being kept alive by being fed!

You'd go to jail in any jurisdiction for starving a rat to death never mind a human being.

What is it with libs that they have no problem killing the innocent but fight tooth and nail to save murderers? How can you call people who subscribe to such philosophies anything but pure evil?


131 posted on 03/19/2005 9:17:34 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: New Orleans Slim

What machines? She has never been on any machines. What are you talking about?


132 posted on 03/19/2005 9:19:32 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

The courts did not disregard the questions surrounding Michael's living situation. They did recognize, under Florida law, the possibility of a conflict of interest. That is why it was the court that made the decision, not Michael. And again, I say simply because the courts arrived at a decision we do not like does not mean they didn't do their job.


133 posted on 03/19/2005 9:20:03 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: New Orleans Slim

Go look at the video I linked to in #121 and come back here and tell us she's a vegetable.


134 posted on 03/19/2005 9:21:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: mathprof

The world has gone mad.


135 posted on 03/19/2005 9:24:27 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: TigersEye

PUHLEEEEEEEEEESE! Comparing the results of a 15-year investigation and court review to KKK lynchings in the Jim Crow South belittles the efforts of those who gave their lives for civil rights. I'll be glad to engage in a debate on the issues but not disgusting postings.


136 posted on 03/19/2005 9:25:21 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: wingsof liberty

Is she in pain? How do we absolutely know she wants to die? Are we to trust her "husband", who already has children with another woman, that this is Terri's wish? No. Unless, by some miracle, she is allowed to eat again, she will suffer a terrible death which may take up to a week (from what I have heard) to complete. This judge and her husband have both thrown morality and Terri's rights out the window.


137 posted on 03/19/2005 9:25:34 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: zarf
Your statement is well taken but it's irrelevent.

Thank you, but it is relevant. The courts are relying on his word that his wife would want to die under these circumstances. The fact that he is living with another woman should have made them question his motivations.

138 posted on 03/19/2005 9:26:26 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife ("It's a good life...if you don't weaken." - - my grandmother)
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To: zarf
but don't intervene when it's not your business.

I'm sure many Germans said that same thing as the Jews were being marched into the gas chambers.

It is the responsibility of every decent citizen to fight against killing the innocent.

She is not being kept alive by artificial means. She is simply being fed. Pure and simple. Her FAMILY and many medical experts believe her to be alive. That puts her situation in dispute. It is therefore societies obligation to protect her from irreversible actions.

Beyond that, starving someone to death, no matter what their condition, is barbaric and inhumane.

139 posted on 03/19/2005 9:27:22 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: ContraryMary
...simply because the courts arrived at a decision we do not like does not mean they didn't do their job.

It's not about "a decision we don't like", although we don't, it's about refusing to hear testimony on her behalf, it's about refusing to allow adequate unbiased medical tests, it's about connections with a sherrif who refused to investigate allegations of abuse, it's about a decision that is contrary to a specific provision of the State Constitution and now it's about defiance of a legal and binding federal subpoena.

How much does it take to call into question the soundness of one court's authority?

140 posted on 03/19/2005 9:27:49 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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