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Collocating Coffins (Political correctness in the military did not end with the Clinton admin.)
The American Prowler ^ | 3/18/2005 | George Neumayr

Posted on 03/19/2005 2:11:42 AM PST by nickcarraway

Political correctness in the U.S. military did not end with the Clinton administration. President Bush's military is also pushing an ideology of "equality" at the expense of military effectiveness. For the sake of an absurd feminist experiment, the Bush military is willing to sap its strength, expose women to torture and death and mar the lives of children and families. The price tag of this experiment is on the body bags carrying mothers, wives, and daughters who have died in Iraq, and on the growing list of orphans produced by the war. Read the casualty reports: Lori Ann Piestewa, 23, mother of two preschoolers; Melissa J. Hobart, 22, mother of a 3 year-old; Jessica L. Cawvey, 21, single mother of a 6-year-old; Sgt. Pamela Osbourne, 38, mother of three children, ages 9-19, Katrina L. Bell-Johnson, 32, mother of a 1-year-old.

"Tens of thousands of children are struggling to cope while Mom goes to war," reports the Sacramento Bee. And if Mom does come back, she may return as an amputee. Or shell-shocked, reports the Bee: "Returning female vets are bringing back wounded minds, beset by post-traumatic stress disorder, an illness that affects women at twice the rate of men. Health care experts fear an avalanche of cases among female vets will smother the military health care system."

Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness reports that the Bush military, far from reconsidering the feminization of the military under Bill Clinton, is advancing it. The Bush Pentagon has now done what Clinton didn't even do by implementing a de facto women-in-combat policy of placing women in front-line support groups alongside combat units.

"Under current federal law and military regulations, women are barred from ground combat groups," reports the Bee. (And Bush has said "no women in combat.") "There are indications, however, that the Pentagon is less steadfast than its commander-in-chief about maintaining the status quo. In February, the Army's 3rd Infantry Division acknowledged it has assigned women to units in Iraq that directly support combat troops by providing food, equipment maintenance and other services. The process, called 'collocation' -- literally to place side by side-- is at odds with an 11-year-old Army policy that bans women from serving in front-line support groups."

Elaine Donnelly tells TAS that a Pentagon attitude of "This is how women grow their careers" is driving the new collocation policy. The Pentagon has bizarrely said that these women will only serve alongside combat units when they are not in combat but should they find themselves in combat the military will "evacuate" the female troops. If that doesn't show the military's willingness to lose battles for the sake of a gender-integration experiment, what does?

What a lunatic scenario: the military is placing women with combat units on the assumption that they won't see combat but should they see combat it will dissipate battle resources to "evacuate" soldiers who shouldn't have been there in the first place all so that it can maintain a modified "collocation" policy that conforms to a careerist feminist ideology in the Pentagon.

Soldiers have told Donnelly that the new collocation rule is insane. An infantry officer described what evacuating the 24 women in these units will mean: "[Removing] 24 fully loaded soldiers [would require] two Blackhawk helicopters, six Huey helicopters, one Chinook helicopter, two 5-ton (or LMTV) trucks, 12 up-armored HMMWV's (with a full crew of three) and four to six unarmored HMMWV's to move. These are assets that cannot be spared simply to move females to the rear. In combat, helicopters are preferable but a very scarce asset. Imagine an entire brigade trying to chopper out these female contingents before combat -- it would require almost half of a division's worth of aviation assets to move them all at once."

A female officer told Donnelly: "The key question...remove females when combat begins. That is ridiculous. When does the combat begin? According to the President the war ended and we are not in a 'war zone' but in a 'Theater of Operations' now. I think it is a play on words and commanders in the field will not follow those guidelines. This is political language that we commanders are not aware of. Once soldiers are in the units they will all be placed wherever they are needed regardless of their gender."

In other words, the new collocation policy is a formula for at once losing battles and getting women killed. It is not even accurate to say that death is an equal opportunity provider on the battlefield as women will have less chance of surviving than the men.

But it is not surprising that the military is blurring the distinction between combat and noncombat field positions for women. The door blocking women in combat has been ajar since it became clear that "noncombat" jobs would mean de facto combat jobs (as evident in the fact that "noncombat" women carry weaponry and are dying in combat situations). The military's new collocation policy signifies that it is readying to kick the door wide open. In the meantime, however, female soldiers will learn the hard way what the military means by career benefits.

"You're not generally told as a female that you will be in that type of situation where you are in harm's way directly," National Guard Sergeant Brenda Monroe said to the Sacramento Bee. "I never dreamed that I would wake up every night and have to run to a bunker and take cover because we were being attacked or under direct fire."

The feminist dream that began under Clinton is producing a nightmare under Bush. How many women and mothers will have to die before a Bush military that should know better stops it?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: anotherhateusa; bushhate; collocation; militarymothers; militarywomen; womenincombat
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1 posted on 03/19/2005 2:11:42 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

You forgot to add the barf alert. What's this leftist crap doing on this site?


2 posted on 03/19/2005 2:15:36 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Nuzcruizer

An article opposing females in combat is leftist? Your compass needs some fine tuning.


3 posted on 03/19/2005 2:26:44 AM PST by jaykay (It's just my opinion, but I'm right.)
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To: nickcarraway

And what a bunch of B.S.; thousands of women dying in combat leaving tens of thousands of orphans? Yea right.
Women join the army knowing the risks. it isn't a holiday nor a ticket for free education and salary. Some get killed. but very few. nothing to support this claim of tens of thousands of orphans.
Note how "Bush said combat was over" is slipped in as well.
This should be pulled.


4 posted on 03/19/2005 2:27:02 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: nickcarraway
News flash, woman are already in combat roles, in the US Navy, Army and Marines. And they have been for a while. They fly combat aircraft on combat missions. There were several female AH-64 Apache pilots that participated on combat strikes during the war. I met two of them. And they knew what what they were in for right from the start. And both of them loved the work. I say more power to them.

This leftist Koolaid argument has no merit. If a female service member is in Iraq, regardless of location or MOS, she is potentially in a combat area. She can be an admin REMF deep inside the confines of the Green Zone and can still get killed by a suicide car bomber, mortar shell or rocket. She can get killed by an IED along any Iraqi road. Is this news to these people?
5 posted on 03/19/2005 2:27:51 AM PST by stm
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To: stm

Oops, meant US Air Force instead of Marines, my bad


6 posted on 03/19/2005 2:28:59 AM PST by stm
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To: jaykay

There aren't any women in combat. They may be near combat areas but only as support.
This article suggests women are in combat and are being killed in high numbers which simply isn't true.
Tens of thousands of orphaned children... yea right. I recall a woman who died defusing a roadside bomb. That was her job, it isn't "combat".


7 posted on 03/19/2005 2:30:48 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: stm
If a female service member is in Iraq, regardless of location or MOS, she is potentially in a combat area. She can be an admin REMF deep inside the confines of the Green Zone and can still get killed by a suicide car bomber, mortar shell or rocket. She can get killed by an IED along any Iraqi road.

Under these conditions, 31 women have been killed out of over 1500. Obviously women have not been assuming the same risk as men as yet. If they do so now, the body count will be similar.
8 posted on 03/19/2005 2:33:11 AM PST by jaykay (It's just my opinion, but I'm right.)
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To: stm

Except in specialty areas like you mention. Not Army ground troops except in support positions or specialtis like Sappers.


9 posted on 03/19/2005 2:34:21 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Nuzcruizer

The article is refering to this proposed "colocation" rule change. If enacted, the number of females killed will be closer to the number of men killed instead of about 30 out of over 1500.


10 posted on 03/19/2005 2:36:37 AM PST by jaykay (It's just my opinion, but I'm right.)
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"31 women have been killed out of over 1500"

That means they each had 322 children each to support this claim of even 10,000 affected children, never mind the "tens of thousands".

11 posted on 03/19/2005 2:39:03 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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There are a lot of female MP's in Iraq. They are not considered true combat arms but they wind up in a lot of combat arms situations. And their missions take them into some very dangerous positions.

I have been in the infantry for 17 years and have been in Iraq twice. If a woman is strong enough to ruck up with 60 - 80 pounds on her back and keep up with us on a 15 mile forced road march, can shoot well and does not fold under combat, then she can share my foxhole any day. It's her choice. I have had enough of all this politically correct BS.
12 posted on 03/19/2005 2:39:15 AM PST by stm
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To: Nuzcruizer
What's this leftist crap doing on this site?

Yeah, right. George Neumayr and the American Spectator is left wing. Opposing feminists groups and homosexual activists groups is left wing. I suppose the Equal Rights Ammendment, which first came up with the idea of forcing women in combat in the army was a conservative ammendment to the Constitution. And I suppose Phyllis Schlafly who opposed the ERA and women in combat is a left-winger? Up is down. Hot is cold.

And what a bunch of B.S.; thousands of women dying in combat leaving tens of thousands of orphans?

Next time read a little close. It doesn't say anything about thousands of orphans.

Note how "Bush said combat was over" is slipped in as well.

Nice try. Check out his article archive, Neumayr supported the war in Iraq and President Bush.

13 posted on 03/19/2005 2:40:19 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Nuzcruizer
Tens of thousands of orphaned children.

You are deliberately lying about what this article says. It not say that that many children are orphaned, it says their mothers are overseas. Are you a representative of NOW or something? The Clinton era is over, get over it. We should get rid of Clinton era policies.

14 posted on 03/19/2005 2:44:16 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Nuzcruizer
That means they each had 322 children each to support this claim of even 10,000 affected children, never mind the "tens of thousands".

Okay, put up or shut up. The article does not say there are that many orphans. Try to show where it says that, or prove yourself a troll.

15 posted on 03/19/2005 2:47:08 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Nuzcruizer

The article says that tens of thousands of children are coping while their mothers are in Iraq, not necessarily killed.


16 posted on 03/19/2005 2:47:52 AM PST by jaykay (It's just my opinion, but I'm right.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Lancey Howard; maryz

ping


17 posted on 03/19/2005 2:48:10 AM PST by nickcarraway
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Tens of thousands of children are struggling to cope while Mom goes to war," reports the Sacramento Bee. And if Mom does come back, she may return as an amputee. Or shell-shocked, reports the Bee: "Returning female vets are bringing back wounded minds, beset by post-traumatic stress disorder, an illness that affects women at twice the rate of men. Health care experts fear an avalanche of cases among female vets will smother the military health care system."

The fear mongering is in there, just read it. And watch who you call a troll. This whole article is fear mongering, plain and simple. Women join the army on their own free will. They know the risks. they aren't forced or tricked etc. into anything. MEN are sons, brothers, husbands and fathers as well. Why the discrimination? Maybe everyone should just stay home... I spent my years in the military, and have known many a fine female who made their careers in the service as well. We don't need these armchair general- civilian speculators dreaming up scenarios which aren't happening.

18 posted on 03/19/2005 3:01:35 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: nickcarraway

Or, looking at it another way, out of the 1500 women claimed to be in Iraq, they each have 6 children,(based on 10 thousand, not tens of thousands) and everyone of them have some sort of medical problem caused by being in the theare of operations.

yea right. fear mongering, plain and simple. Most women don't even have children, are young and single.


19 posted on 03/19/2005 3:08:23 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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Seems to me we have had only 1500 deaths in the war. I don't think they were all women. Even if they were according to this stupid article, they would have to have birthed over a thousand children each. Dah! What a bunch of doo doo. Amen.
20 posted on 03/19/2005 3:21:39 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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