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DeLay Pledges Contempt Charge for Terri Judge
NewsMax ^ | 3/18/05 | Limbacher

Posted on 03/18/2005 4:32:07 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

One slimy liberal judge should not have this much power!


1,041 posted on 03/19/2005 12:30:50 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: carenot
It is a shame that a Federal law might save other people from a terrible death.

And cause years of pain to thousands who wanted to die.

So9

1,042 posted on 03/19/2005 12:33:37 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9
And cause years of pain to thousands who wanted to die.

And want to die so strongly they can't bother to either write or videotape their wishes.

1,043 posted on 03/19/2005 12:35:34 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: rwfromkansas
He has to provide some evidence for his claim, and he hasn't.

Even take a lie detector test and I would be willing to say okay, pull the plug. But, he hasn't done that to my knowledge.

Michael told Larry King he didn't see any reason to take a lie detector test.

1,044 posted on 03/19/2005 12:35:55 PM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: My2Cents
Read my lips: Who the hell cares?!

Look, you're the one who brought it up by making a false claim. If you don't want to be called on a false claim, then don't make one. If you don't want to talk about states' rights, then don't bring up the subject of states rights.

Quoting:

Of course, if we respected "states rights," blacks would still be picking cotton on Massa's farm.

24 posted on 03/18/2005 6:38:17 PM CST by My2Cents

1,045 posted on 03/19/2005 12:49:56 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: TAdams8591

Earlier I was questioned about state's rights and mentioned gay marriage. The voters are electing representatives to make legislative decisions. They do so only to have courts overturn them. The legislative process then has been removed from the people. The judicial monkeys step in and create laws to their own satisfaction and if anyone intervenes, including Congress or the President, they hiss (rhymes with) at them. My point was how far medically can we take this decision before genocide becomes the norm?


1,046 posted on 03/19/2005 12:52:04 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: cajungirl
After all years before in one's callow youth after a few beers in a bar while flirting and watching a bowl game, one might have said, "I would rather be dead than have a feeding tube"

And no one read's you your Miranda rights.

You have the right to remain silent.

You have the right to an attorney being present before any questioning.

If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you.

ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law.

1,047 posted on 03/19/2005 12:54:46 PM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: cajungirl

I agree,it seems to be the situation. My point was exactly that,in many different cases the State has stepped in to override the wishes of a guardian,I believe here the State is trying to do that but for some reason this Greer judge refuses to let the State intervene.


1,048 posted on 03/19/2005 1:01:42 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Servant of the 9
Your own post just serves to undo your argument that a living will is all that Terri needed and that her lack of executing one put her in this predicament.
There are many instances where the State has decided to intervene and take over the care from the legal guardian,and Florida is attempting to do that now. The problem is with Greer who seems to be willing to disregard all jurisprudence about such cases of interventions and basically impose his own rules,
When you let judges do that who is to say that he would respect anybody's living will including your own unless it matched his own version of what's right.
1,049 posted on 03/19/2005 1:08:57 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Empireoftheatom48
Let me take this a step further.

If Dirty Harry had stepped in as Delay did and requested the same, what would Geer's reaction have been?

1,050 posted on 03/19/2005 1:09:27 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: northernlightsII
Your own post just serves to undo your argument that a living will is all that Terri needed and that her lack of executing one put her in this predicament.

The value of a Living Will now, or 15 years ago was great.
The value of a Living Will under the new Federal Law will be almost nill.

Vastly different circumstances.

SO9

1,051 posted on 03/19/2005 3:42:01 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9

A living will just like any other will is subject to review and adjudication as to its legality and intent.Living wills were never above judicial review.


1,052 posted on 03/19/2005 3:54:11 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Servant of the 9
The value of a Living Will now, or 15 years ago was great. The value of a Living Will under the new Federal Law will be almost nill.

How does declaring that in the absense of a living will in tangible form (written, video, etc.), a judge cannot accept contested hearsay without oversight, in any way interfere with the honoring of tangible living wills when they actually exist?

Under existing "law", a murderous guardian, an unscrupulous lawyer and cooperative judge can sentence to death any ward who is sufficiently incapacitated that he can be drugged enough to appear PVS. Does this not seen dangerously wrong?

1,053 posted on 03/19/2005 3:57:52 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: northernlightsII
Living wills were never above judicial review

Unfortunately.
Damnable government interference in personal business.

So9

1,054 posted on 03/19/2005 4:00:37 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9
Damnable government interference in personal business.

Suppose you're incapacitated and an heir shows up with a "living will" that says you want to be starved to death. The will happens to resemble their handwriting much more strongly than yours. Should a court accept the document at face value, or should it allow examination of its authenticity?

1,055 posted on 03/19/2005 4:05:10 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: supercat
How does declaring that in the absense of a living will in tangible form (written, video, etc.), a judge cannot accept contested hearsay without oversight, in any way interfere with the honoring of tangible living wills when they actually exist?

The law does more than that. It requires great specificity in a valid Living Will so that I believe a person will have to enumerate each of tens of thousands of possible exact medical conditions and specify treatment in each instance, and be completely invalid if the condition is not exactly described.

It then gives any relative you have, no matter how distant, how hostile, or how strange, the right to challenge it's aplicability to present conditions in Federal Court, which will take years.

So9

1,056 posted on 03/19/2005 4:05:57 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9
The law does more than that. It requires great specificity in a valid Living Will so that I believe a person will have to enumerate each of tens of thousands of possible exact medical conditions and specify treatment in each instance, and be completely invalid if the condition is not exactly described.

It then gives any relative you have, no matter how distant, how hostile, or how strange, the right to challenge it's aplicability to present conditions in Federal Court, which will take years.

And how would you like to see the law written?

1,057 posted on 03/19/2005 4:08:29 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: supercat
Damnable government interference in personal business.

Suppose you're incapacitated and an heir shows up with a "living will" that says you want to be starved to death. The will happens to resemble their handwriting much more strongly than yours. Should a court accept the document at face value, or should it allow examination of its authenticity?

Authenticate, yes.
Interpret or invalidate, no.
Word for word literalism.

So9

1,058 posted on 03/19/2005 4:10:08 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9
Word for word literalism.

And in the event that doctors disagree about some critical aspect of your condition, what then?

1,059 posted on 03/19/2005 4:12:09 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Servant of the 9
Suicide must ever be a do-it-yourself business or it does become exactly what is happening here and worse. Even then suicide is wrong and best kept illegal.

Outlawing "assisted suicide" falls well withing a legitmate reason -- the MOST legitmate reason -- reason for founding any government. That is: to protect the weak and otherwise helpless.

Liberty first requires life. To preserve the freedom to contract, to trade and to own property, we must first protect the lives of the weak from the brutish. Otherwise the brutish take all other liberties away.

1,060 posted on 03/19/2005 4:15:07 PM PST by bvw (Pslam 94!)
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