Well, that's one way of doing it. But I've always thought the Israeli arrangement that included the .50 as a co-ax made a lot of sense, though an armored cover would be a nice touch. Of course, you COULD have it both ways....
Posted on 03/18/2005 1:23:22 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
Well, that's one way of doing it. But I've always thought the Israeli arrangement that included the .50 as a co-ax made a lot of sense, though an armored cover would be a nice touch. Of course, you COULD have it both ways....
Well, sort of.
Five with ties to Washington state are added to toll from Iraq war In January, these servicemen with Washington state ties died in war zones:Pvt. Cory R. Depew, 21, of Beech Grove, Ind. He died Jan. 4, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq, when a rocket-propelled grenade struck his Stryker military vehicle. Depew was assigned to the Stryker Brigade combat team with Fort Lewis' 25th Infantry Division.
During his last leave in November, Depew helped build a peace garden with his church. He graduated from high school in 2003.
Pfc. Curtis L. Wooten III, 20, of Spanaway was a tanker with the 77th Armor Regiment, 1st Infantry Division, based in Germany. He was killed Jan. 4 in Balad when a roadside bomb exploded near his vehicle. A 2001 graduate of Spanaway Lake High School, Wooten joined the Army to get an education and help his younger siblings. His mother, Dairyene Wooten, still lives in Spanaway.
Master Sgt. Brian A. Mack, 36, of Phoenix, Ariz., died Jan. 13 in Mosul, Iraq, when shrapnel from a roadside bomb hit him as he stood in his Stryker. Mack, who joined the Army at 20, was assigned to the Fort Lewis Stryker Brigade. In Iraq, Mack had volunteered to be platoon sergeant to young Army scouts instead of taking a headquarters job he was entitled to. Mack was promoted posthumously to master sergeant, becoming the highest-ranking, non-commissioned officer from Fort Lewis to die in Iraq.
He is survived by his wife, Lisa, and daughter, Ashley, 17, who live in Dupont.
Sgt. Nathaniel T. Swindell, 24, of Bronx, N.Y., also was a member of Fort Lewis' Stryker Brigade. He died Jan. 15 in Mosul when a firearm carried by an Iraqi National Guardsman accidentally discharged into his back, slipping beneath his protective armor. Swindell joined the Army shortly after graduating from vocational school in 2000. "I'm fine over here," said his final e-mail home, one of many in which he spoke mostly about Iraqi children.
First Lt. Nainoa K. Hoe, 27, of Kailua, Hawaii, was killed by a sniper Jan. 22 in Mosul while he was leading a foot patrol. Another Stryker Brigade member, Hoe and his wife, Emily, a Western Oregon University business student, had been married seven months. A University of Hawaii graduate in business administration, Hoe had aspirations of one day joining the FBI.
The couple, married in a sunset ceremony in June on a Hawaiian beach, planned their formal wedding reception for next fall after he was to return.
Twice as many tracks to check tension on, and twice as many drive sprockets.
But if the idea is that a mine that takes off a front track doesn't score a mobility kill
on the vehicle, the biggest disadvantage of *rubberband tracks*, and would allow
the crew of the tank to back out of the area, I could see it as a possibility.
BTTT
A 7.62mm is actually better as a coax in MOUT since it doesn't penetrate quite as far with the adobe/pumic concrete. .50CAL rounds will go through every house in a block.
But the lessons were already learned by Israel does not fall on deaf ears. We could have seen the writing on the wall for MOUT years ago, but never wanted to believe a M1 would be in a city.
Sort of reminds me of the M691 "Diana" (M-1 chassis with an anti-aircraft gun) from the Twilight: 2000 role playing game although the Gatling gun on the M1 chassis was designed for an anti-aircraft role. There was also a version like that on an M-113 chassis too, a PIVAD, IIRC. I have the US Army vehicle guide for the Twlight: 2000 game with some of those proposed but fictious vehicles for the game.
I think the USSR had plans for a 1,000 ton tank back in the 1920's although it would have been a tall order for the egineering of the time or even today.
Hitler's ratte tank design was around a 1000-tonner, though it was even more impractably enourmous that the limited production Maus tank, a few of which were actually built.
There are those who believe that the Ratte was actually an espionage/propaganda device, meant to exist as a blueprint to be acquired by enemy intelligence agents, who'd then be wasting resources countering a weapons system that would never see production or use. But in any event, the very real Panzer Mark IX and Panzer X designs caused concern enough.
But the lessons were already learned by Israel does not fall on deaf ears. We could have seen the writing on the wall for MOUT years ago, but never wanted to believe a M1 would be in a city.
The two most-wanted requests I've heard from treadheads back from the sandbox: a left-side feed assembly for the M249, so that a pair of 5,56mm M249s could go where one 7,62 M240 fits, usually at the loader's position on an Abrams.
The other request, from both Bradley and Tow-Hummer crews: an unguided, short-range HESH or HEP round for the TOW, for use in MOUT, with a working range of circa 50 to 250 meters. A TOW I guided round is just a bit too expensive for use against a single enemy gunner in a house or other structure, the nicely effective use of TOW against Uday and Qusay a while back notwithstanding.
Patton's 3rd Army found that when a town can't be effectively bypassed, one of their most useful tools was direct fore from 155mm SP artillery, which would make a new door in most any structure right at street level anywhere it was wanted. The M109A6 Paladins are a bit too expensive for such use, but TOW equipped vehicles are common, and might be as effective, given the right round.
And I've heard a LOT of complaints about the M9 pistol, both in terms of reliability and effectiveness with ball ammo. The Glock 18 might be a possible alternative, usable by those for whom the M1911A1 is a bit too much.
Sounds like the Ratte would have been the first BOLO.
5.56mm
In terms of size, maybe. But in terms of computing power and systems integration, the M60A1 RISE was considered the first baby step of BOLO's family, just before BOLO generation version Mk .8, an inventor's test platform prototype.
A-21 2A69 M60A1 RISE w/AOS was my panzer. No passive sights, just a big searchlight and active IR scopes that made every bush look like a coax target.
I go back a little before that, to the M48A3 and the M48A2C I trained with in Armor AIT. The NODs were indeed a bit less effective then, my own personal favourite being the driver's IR periscope with no depth of field and the sometimes unhappy inability to be able to tell whether a puddle across a tank trail was 6 inches deep or six feet.
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