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"When I Woke Up..." (EERY parallel to Schiavo case)- meditation given at Terri Schiavo vigil
http://www.ragged-edge-mag.com/ ^ | Posted Jan. 6, 2003 | Rus Cooper Dowda

Posted on 03/18/2005 9:27:35 AM PST by Terriergal

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To: beezdotcom

I totally agree with your assessment of physicians.


21 posted on 03/18/2005 12:02:12 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: Terriergal

Thank you for posting this amazing, and chilling, story.


22 posted on 03/18/2005 12:08:29 PM PST by djreece
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To: Terriergal
So what?

Mistakes happen.

Doctors are sometimes wrong.

Juries are sometimes wrong.

Public Opinion is sometimes wrong.

I guess we can use that when Bush does something wrong then too huh? Or, name a politician. Why are you here? Aren't you on FR to fight so that people DON'T keep doing these things wrong? How unbelieveably callous.

Suppose a guy drinks too much and runs over your daughter/son. Whoops. Mistakes are made. So what?

No, we don't stop trying to do better, but what every Terri supporter seems to want is to throw out our whole system of jurisprudence and medicine and put in an entirely new one to compensate for a possible mistake.

If some drunk runs over my son, that is reason to try to prevent drunk driving, not to reinstate prohibition or to ban automobiles.

85% of Americans believe that the spouse should make life and death decisions for someone unable to make their own. They like the way the law is now. They are going to be furious if congress changes it over one possible bad decision.

Am I callous?
Maybe so, or maybe just realistic, but all I see is a lot of former conservatives suddenly becomming interventionist democrats wanting to bring on Big Brother for the entire nation, because of a possible injustice to one woman.

So9

23 posted on 03/18/2005 12:10:09 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: jla
one could even argue from a secular point that by allowing Terri Schiavo to be killed our society takes another step down into the pit of moral decadence.

One could, if they thought it was a big deal...

hope your spirit is never dampened Terriegal. It is you and like minds who are the real heart and soul of the Grand Ol' Party.

Thank you... I needed that. I find these compliant weenies on FR suck the will right out of me sometimes.

24 posted on 03/18/2005 12:12:57 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal
I have a living will. I don't want to be kept alive artificially.

But. And this is a big one, Terri's situation is different.

She needs to be treated. She needs as much physical therapy as possible. She needs a chance. A chance she hasn't been given. That's a difference.

I'm going to have my living will amended. If I'm in a coma because of what might be foul play, I want to be treated aggressively for up to a year before the plug is pulled. I want a chance too.

If it's old age and a painful disease, no extraordinary measures, please. But that's not this circumstance. And everyone senses it.

There are too many unanswered questions here. Why didn't the husband get help for her when help would have mattered? Wouldn't most grieving husbands want to try something? He didn't give up after trying. He didn't try. If Terri really felt like he said, why didn't she sign a living will? Does the state default to no treatment, no help, and starvation death in cases of potential foul play?

Something stinks in this case, and we all feel it. The stench reaches to our souls. This doesn't feel like respect for a woman's wish to die peacefully, it feels like murder.

25 posted on 03/18/2005 12:13:27 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: Servant of the 9
but all I see is a lot of former conservatives suddenly becomming

Suddenly? That just tells me how long you've been following this. Take some time to study the story.

26 posted on 03/18/2005 12:13:39 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: beezdotcom
the arrogance of a small subset of megalomaniacal doctors that needs to be exposed.

Agreed. Same thing happened in that other story I posted.

"When I Woke Up..." (EERY parallel to Schiavo case)- meditation given at Terri Schiavo vigil
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1365553/posts

27 posted on 03/18/2005 12:14:30 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal
OK, not suddenly, Y'all have been closet liberals for years.

So9

28 posted on 03/18/2005 12:14:54 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9

Suddenly, like, Mel Gibson's character suddenly turned pro-war in the movie the Patriot.


29 posted on 03/18/2005 12:15:24 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Servant of the 9

Funny how the proven unashamed libs tend to be siding with you this time.


30 posted on 03/18/2005 12:16:06 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: GOPJ

Thank you... I agree if she had made a will providing for this then things would have been different.


31 posted on 03/18/2005 12:16:58 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Servant of the 9
Doctors are sometimes wrong

I see no evidence that this woman is cognizant!


32 posted on 03/18/2005 12:18:24 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Servant of the 9
Be careful. First, you said:

85% of Americans believe that the spouse should make life and death decisions for someone unable to make their own. They like the way the law is now. They are going to be furious if congress changes it over one possible bad decision.

That sounds very pro-democratic, pro-majority rule.

Then you said:

...all I see is a lot of former conservatives suddenly becomming interventionist democrats wanting to bring on Big Brother for the entire nation, because of a possible injustice to one woman.

It's my understanding that the law proposed would simply require that, if a person wants to be killed, then they have to leave it in writing. There's no Big Brother there. We just shouldn't take the word of an adulterous spouse.

33 posted on 03/18/2005 12:22:12 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Terriergal
The law of the land is that the spouse decides.
The law of the land is that a living will can supercede the spouses decision.

Terri was stupid twice if she had no living will and chose a bad husband.

I honestly can't see the point in turning our judicial system and the principle of States Rights upside down to protect someone who had ample opportunity to protect herself and chose not to.

So9

34 posted on 03/18/2005 12:25:49 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Terriergal

Reports saying Terri's feeding tube has now been removed...


35 posted on 03/18/2005 12:27:57 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
It's my understanding that the law proposed would simply require that, if a person wants to be killed, then they have to leave it in writing.

The way the law is written a living will would only be valid if it describes exactly the situation you are in.

So9

36 posted on 03/18/2005 12:31:15 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9

Check out this new thread. I think Santorum's speech sums it up pretty well:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1365711/posts


37 posted on 03/18/2005 12:45:49 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Servant of the 9

Trying again... didn't post the last time:

Check out this new thread. I think Santorum's speech sums it up pretty well:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1365711/posts


38 posted on 03/18/2005 12:47:22 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

I know. that thread is getting awfully long already...just exploding. Still a lot of Michael Schiavo apologizers. Discouraging.


39 posted on 03/18/2005 12:52:39 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal

This is an AMAZING STORY. Thanks for posting it.

I looked up this writer on google, and from what I read, sounds like she did divorce that creep doctor husband, and the son she gave birth to wasn't his. Good for her.


40 posted on 03/20/2005 12:56:33 PM PST by plushaye (President Bush: W-2-4-4!! Thank-you voters of America. Thank you GOD for choosing him!)
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