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To: rmlew

Nice article. Thanks for publishing/posting.

Although I agree with your basic position, I think you overlooked two key points.

The first is that Europe is already lost. Europe simply does not have the ability to reverse the policies that let the barbarians in. European leaders would have to admit how wrong their core beliefs turned out to be, which they will never do. But even if a new cadre of leaders can be found, the native Europeans are too few and too old to throw out the young and vigorous barbarians they have invited in. The Europeans have passed the demographic point of no return.

The second point is that the U.S. is not lost, but we are close. The U.S. is almost evenly divided and could easily fall. Whatever is done must not tip the balance to the wrong side.

I believe we have to try what we are doing now first if we are to avoid tipping the balance to the wrong side. In my opinion, John Kerry would have won if the general population had thought President Bush was too hard on Muslims. And John Kerry would have taken the U.S. the way of Europe.

Yes, trying to maintain peace with Islam in general is difficult. It may even be impossible in the long term. Yes, the "moderate" Muslims the liberals think are out there are awfully hard to find. But right now, anything else would fail to receive enough domestic support to sustain.

We are trying to isolate the conflict to a few "radical" Muslims, thus avoiding a war with the entire Muslim world. So far, against all odds, we are succeeding.

If this high stakes gamble fails, a general war against Islam will eventually ensue. Many of our "allies" will try to make peace with our enemies (as they already are). Many Americans will side with our enemies as well (as they already are). We will stand almost alone in the world, and divided at home. We will need all the unity we can muster, or we too will fall.

In other words, I think the high stakes gamble we are engaged in right now is our only current option. If it fails, it will have paved the way for greater unity when a wider conflict emerges.

I pray that conflict does not come, but I have plenty of ammo.


16 posted on 03/17/2005 2:32:04 PM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: EternalHope
The first is that Europe is already lost. Europe simply does not have the ability to reverse the policies that let the barbarians in. European leaders would have to admit how wrong their core beliefs turned out to be, which they will never do. But even if a new cadre of leaders can be found, the native Europeans are too few and too old to throw out the young and vigorous barbarians they have invited in. The Europeans have passed the demographic point of no return.
If the European countries decided to remain Western, they would need to reChristianize (religion and fecundity are related), and change EU and national laws on immigration. None of this would be easy, and it would have to be a group effort given the existance of the EU.
Fortunately, the Muslim population is no greater than 15% in even the most overrun countries. Change would be possible, although some violence would surely break out.

I believe we have to try what we are doing now first if we are to avoid tipping the balance to the wrong side. In my opinion, John Kerry would have won if the general population had thought President Bush was too hard on Muslims. And John Kerry would have taken the U.S. the way of Europe.
Most American support immigration restrictions and enforcement of current laws. Over 70% support increased restrictions on Msulim immigration and a net outflow. The problem is that the business community and media would be against it. Worse, as with most immigration measures, the real harm would come from "moderate" Republicans who would back up the hysterics of the left. (Jack Kemp and the Bushes did far more to hurt us over Prop 187 than La Raza.)

We are trying to isolate the conflict to a few "radical" Muslims, thus avoiding a war with the entire Muslim world. So far, against all odds, we are succeeding.
Please. On September 15, 2001 a President other than Bush could have asked Congress for the authority to deport every Muslim non-citizen and to enforce laws against non-Muslim illegals.Instead, Bush turned the Islamist lobby, CAIR and and AADL, into the mainstream and called Islam a religion of peace.

If this high stakes gamble fails, a general war against Islam will eventually ensue. Many of our "allies" will try to make peace with our enemies (as they already are). Many Americans will side with our enemies as well (as they already are). We will stand almost alone in the world, and divided at home. We will need all the unity we can muster, or we too will fall.
Frannce and Germany merrily becomes Eurabia, while China is effectively helping the worst Muslim regimes. Russia vascilates between domestic anti-Muslim activities and foreign anti-Americanism. That leaves part of the Anglosphere, Eastern Europe, and India on our side.

I fail to see how promoting a strengthened EU,Turkish entry into the EU, or kowtowing to CAIR helps us.

25 posted on 03/17/2005 5:40:41 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: EternalHope

In my opinion, John Kerry would have won if the general population had thought President Bush was too hard on Muslims. And John Kerry would have taken the U.S. the way of Europe.

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I disagree. Pres Bush won because he was perceived as strong on terror. Being tougher, like on immigration, might have brought in some Buchanan Conservatives who said they were not voting for Bush in protest.


30 posted on 03/17/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by dervish (Nihilism is dead)
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