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To: Dan Evans

well, everyone is different physically and mentally, so i dont think any scientist or professor can absolutely prove anything as far as that goes.


99 posted on 03/16/2005 5:31:42 PM PST by ArmyAngel ("You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston)
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To: ArmyAngel
well, everyone is different physically and mentally, so i dont think any scientist or professor can absolutely prove anything as far as that goes.

Then where is the burden of proof? If a company has mostly male engineers, does the company have to prove that men make better engineers, or do the plaintiffs in a discrimination suit have to prove that men and women have equal ability and therefore the company discriminates.

It is an important question because engineering is just as much a life and death occupation as being a guard at courthouse.

105 posted on 03/16/2005 5:45:21 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: ArmyAngel

I am a Marine military policeman (Reserve). Our MOS is the only one where women will be sent into combat. It is true that women are weaker than men, but the most important factor is controlled aggression. Often times a man might think, since he is almost always bigger, that a women is a pushover. However, if the women policeman is aggressive (ie yells, threatens in a sure manner, displays ability to exert force through mannerisms), the man will submit. Also note that civilian police in dangerous areas are usually in pairs, so the strength of the male officer and the more tacit nature of the female officer compliment each other well.

Also, I remember my Senior Drill Instructor telling us then-recruits a story about how he dated a woman Marine Military Policeman. He said she thought she was so tough, as is the reputation for Marine MPs. So, despite being a woman she thought her self bad a$$ as well. That story ended on a funny note, however...

Your profile says you love the military. If you really want to go into law enforcement and surmount the stereotype that women and weaker, less active, less aggressive, then join the Marine Corps military police occupational field. You will be exptected to do pretty much the same as guys, and if you can equal them in all standards, you will be one of the fewer, the prouder--a woman Marine.


106 posted on 03/16/2005 5:45:45 PM PST by jdhighness
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To: ArmyAngel

"well, sure, why not? Takes brains not just muscle to defend yourself, and according to some studies and people, women often "prove" to be more intelligent than men. So, yeah, I do."

Well the studies on male and female IQ show that their mean IQs are basically equal, but men have greater variation; i.e. more males on both the very low and very high ends of the spectrum.


"well, everyone is different physically and mentally, so i dont think any scientist or professor can absolutely prove anything as far as that goes."

One of the rather ironic things about the whole Larry Summers fiasco was how his critics misinterpreted, no doubt intentionally by some, what he was saying and the implications of what he was saying. Comments about scientifically proven differences between groups (like men and women) say nothing about individuals. The most intelligent single person in the world might be a woman. The greatest scientific or mathematical mind might belong to a woman. The top-5 might all be women. But for every one of the women in such elite company there will be several men. That is all that Summers was saying -- that since there are more men in the very-high IQ range, therefore there may naturally be more men in professions dependent on a very high IQ, in the same way that there will be more men represented in very low intelligence areas, like prison.


179 posted on 03/17/2005 6:20:03 PM PST by Aetius
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