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The Right to Die
Abc news/ Nightline ^ | March 15, 2005 | abcnews

Posted on 03/15/2005 3:07:28 PM PST by ntnychik

March 15, 2005 — Fifteen years ago, Terri Schiavo's heart stopped due to a chemical imbalance, and she suffered severe brain damage as a result. Tonight in an exclusive interview: her husband, Michael Schiavo on his fight to have her feeding tube removed.

CLEARWATER, Fla. Feb 26, 2005 — It's been 15 years since Terri Schiavo's heart stopped beating for several minutes, causing severe brain damage that put her into what doctors call a persistent vegetative state. For almost seven of those years, her husband Michael has been fighting to stop her feedings, arguing that she didn't want to be kept alive artificially.

Terri Schiavo is now 41 and still in a hospice after myriad twists and turns in a dramatic legal and ideological battle that has pitted her parents against their son-in-law. Whether there's an end in sight is anybody's guess.

"It seems like the same news over and over," acknowledged Pat Anderson, a former lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents. "It must be quite incomprehensible (to the public) that she is still alive."

There have been countless lawsuits, court hearings, appeals, news conferences and tears shed by her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who promise to keep fighting. The case file at the Pinellas County Courthouse now fills 45 volumes.

"I don't regret a second of what we've been through," said Terri's brother, Bobby Schindler, 40. "I'll make up for it when we save my sister."

Twice, Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed by court order, and both times it was restored. The last time, in 2003, Gov. Jeb Bush pushed through a state law later ruled unconstitutional that authorized him to resume the feedings six days after they were stopped.

On Friday, state Circuit Judge George Greer set a new date for removal of the feeding tube for March 18, prompting the Schindlers' attorney to promise yet another flurry of legal filings.

Greer's ruling came on the 15th anniversary of Terri Schiavo's collapse on Feb. 25, 1990, when a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder stopped her heart, cutting off oxygen to her brain for five minutes.

Michael Schiavo said his wife never wanted to be kept alive artificially, but she left no written directive. He says he's fulfilling a promise he made to her, and he has spent most of a $700,000 medical malpractice award given to his wife for her care to pay his attorney.


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KEYWORDS: deathbystarvation; deathcult; hino; michaelschiavo; murder; nightline; shesalreadydead; terrischiavo
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To: Dante3
That is what Michael said on Larry King. One of the threads here a while back also carried the transcript of that part.
CALLER: Yes. Does it bother you that the death is so slow? Maybe Dr. Kevorkian-style would be a faster, more peaceful way?

SCHIAVO: Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die. Probably the second better way to die, being the first being an aneurysm.

And it doesn't bother me at all. I've seen it happen. I had to do it with my own parents.

Here ya go.
41 posted on 03/15/2005 4:30:56 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: digger48
AND Terri's cats, when his first girlfriend objected to them.

And her wedding rings (melted to make jewelry for himself).

42 posted on 03/15/2005 4:31:38 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: RobbyS

I doubt he's getting financial support from right-to-die organizations. Those organizations generally recognize the need for clear directives from the patient. Terri Schiavo makes a lousy test case for right-to-die law, since very few people think that the word of a slimy guy like Michael Schiavo should suffice as proof of a patient's wish not to have life-prolonging treatment in the event of severe disability. I firmly believe in the "right to die", and would certainly wish to be euthanized quickly (not starved and dehydrated to death slowly) if I were in Terri's condition, but I sure wouldn't give Michael Schiavo a penny.


43 posted on 03/15/2005 4:35:22 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: webheart
And what of her parents? Are we to believe that this man loves Terri so much that he is willing to tell her parents to stuff it, but yet he has already started another family with wife and kids to boot. He should divorce her, and let the people who brought her into the world help her through her last years, rather than putting her into a morgue for 15 years.

And continuing that thought, suppose it's true that Terri would rather die than lie alone in an institution all day with nobody who cared for her. Does that imply that she'd rather have her "loving husband" put her parents and siblings through hell in his efforts to slaughter her, than have her parents take care of her, sing to her, take her out in the sunshine and fresh air, etc.?

Anyone who would believe Michael is doing what "Terri wants" must necessarily believe that Terri hates her parents and siblings very much.

44 posted on 03/15/2005 4:36:44 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Terri Schiavo makes a lousy test case for right-to-die law, since very few people think that the word of a slimy guy like Michael Schiavo should suffice as proof of a patient's wish not to have life-prolonging treatment in the event of severe disability.

Ah, but that's why it makes an "excellent" case. Since if Terri can be slaughtered, that clears the way for the many thousands of people whose death would be even the slightest bit less unreasonable.

45 posted on 03/15/2005 4:38:12 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Lexinom; SR92

If I may join the conversation...................

Click and read the following:

POLICE REPORT: http://www.theempirejournal.com/SPPD_Police_Report_022590.pdf

PATTERN OF DOMESTIC ABUST: http://www.theempirejournal.com/021505_pattern_of_domestic_abuse.htm

Michael Schiavo is a sadist who euthanized Terri's two cats, and far worse, admitted on the Larry King show that he had his parents starved to death when they were sick with cancer, etc., and abused Terri before the collapse, and continues to abuse her.

He won't allow her to have therapy to talk (she can say a few words), he won't allow her to have therapy to swallow better (she CAN swallow soft foods), he turns her family's pictures around in her room, won't allow her to go outside for some fresh air, won't allow sunlight in her room, won't allow her see the cute little dogs that are brought around to cheer patients, won't allow her teeth to be brushed, etc.

Michael Schiavo, Terri's estranged husband, melted down her wedding ring in order to make jewelry for himself.

He also killed her beloved cats, even after Terri's parents offered to take care of them.




And here's where Michael admitted on Larry King that he had his own parents killed.


http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/lkl1.htm

CALLER: Yes. Does it bother you that the death is so slow? Maybe Dr. Kevorkian-style would be a faster, more peaceful way?
SCHIAVO: Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die. Probably the second better way to die, being the first being an aneurysm.
And it doesn't bother me at all. I've seen it happen.
I had to do it with my own parents.


Evidence surfaces that Michael Schiavo sought information possibly on funeral arrangements for Terri as early as 1993
It was recently discovered (September 2003) that sometime in the year of 1993 a file was completed on Terri Schiavo at a Pinellas County funeral home.

Interestingly enough, it was January of 1993 that over close to a million dollars was deposited in a medical trust fund specifically for Terri’s life-long future rehabilitation and care.

Additionally, it was in the summer of 1993 when Michael Schiavo admitted to trying to withhold antibiotics from Terri knowing that the infection she had would have killed her if it went untreated.

Coincidentally, Michael Schiavo is the inheritor of Terri’s medical trust fund and would have been the recipient of close to a million dollars if Terri would have died in 1993
http://www.zimp.org/stuff/23%20-%2093Funeral03Cremation.htm


Numerous medical experts believe that Terri Schiavo’s injuries were the result of domestic violence and have called upon domestic violence and abuse organizations nationwide to become involved. The Florida Coalition for Domestic Violence can be contacted at 850-425-2749 www.fcadv.org


46 posted on 03/15/2005 4:39:40 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Sun
He won't allow her to have therapy to talk (she can say a few words), he won't allow her to have therapy to swallow better (she CAN swallow soft foods), he turns her family's pictures around in her room, won't allow her to go outside for some fresh air, won't allow sunlight in her room, won't allow her see the cute little dogs that are brought around to cheer patients, won't allow her teeth to be brushed, etc.

She's kept like a bird in a barren cage.
'Cos her husband keeps it bare.
No pictures, no music, no pets, no TV.
Her life is so lonely there.
But Terri is loved by her family
and by thousands from coast to coast.
Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold
she refuses to give up the ghost.

From A Bird in a Barren Cage.


47 posted on 03/15/2005 4:42:34 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: supercat

No, removing Terri's feeding tube under the sketchy circumstances which surround this case, would only cause a backlash against any laws protecting the right to die -- and any serious right to die organization understands that.


48 posted on 03/15/2005 4:43:49 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: blinachka
My father was on tube feeding for almost three years!

What do you think of this from " TERRI SCHIAVO MARCH 2005 DAILIES ," post # 6,439

....Kenneth W. Goodman, co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network and head of the University of Miami Bioethics Program..... said the legislation would create barriers for people who want to control the end of their lives.

It also "misjudges" the medical use of artificial nutrition and hydration tubes, which are intended to be used as a "bridge" when someone suffers a debilitating medical problem until they can get better, he said. Goodman said those devices are not intended to be permanent.

49 posted on 03/15/2005 4:44:40 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: supercat

Thanks!


50 posted on 03/15/2005 4:44:58 PM PST by Dante3
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To: GovernmentShrinker
No, removing Terri's feeding tube under the sketchy circumstances which surround this case, would only cause a backlash against any laws protecting the right to die -- and any serious right to die organization understands that.

Even now, the backlash would probably be greater if she recovers than if she is killed. Were it not for the recent publicity, that would certainly be the case: had she been killed, there would have been little backlash as few people would have known the truth.

51 posted on 03/15/2005 4:46:34 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: supercat

That song sure sums it up.

With all of the support for Terri out there, it's so frustrating that we haven't been able her be freed.


52 posted on 03/15/2005 4:46:39 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: SR92

"There's no sane reason NOT to believe what he's saying"

You have it backwards. There is no reason TO believe what he says. We go on the evidence, the weight of the case, similar cases, ethical and religious determinations. For HER, a Catholic, she showed no evidence of not believing the Church or Pope's teachings about life. She would have left, if she had believed otherwise. She stayed.

Schiavo refuses Terri's friends and family to be with her.

He does not provide evidence of her therapy, and has not had the tests done to show her condition. He is not there every day doing "Range of Motion" exercises to prevent muscle atrophy. He is not there reading to her and doing mental exerciss with her.

Instead, he is living with his fiance and 2 kids since 1996.

He does not give full disclosure. There could have been reason to believe him that perhaps she said she didn't want to live if incapacitated, but no longer. God has revealed who Michael is, through his actions, and the words he says cannot be trustworthy.


53 posted on 03/15/2005 4:46:58 PM PST by gentlestrength
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To: eccentric
It also "misjudges" the medical use of artificial nutrition and hydration tubes, which are intended to be used as a "bridge" when someone suffers a debilitating medical problem until they can get better, he said. Goodman said those devices are not intended to be permanent.

So how long should they be allowed? If someone is otherwise healthy but has needed a feeding tube for over a year, should it be simply pulled so as honor the "intention" that such devices not be permanent?

54 posted on 03/15/2005 4:48:32 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Lexinom

SR92 is a troll nothing more nothing less

imo


55 posted on 03/15/2005 4:49:08 PM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: eccentric
It also "misjudges" the medical use of artificial nutrition and hydration tubes, which are intended to be used as a "bridge" when someone suffers a debilitating medical problem until they can get better, he said. Goodman said those devices are not intended to be permanent.

I agree with him for the most part. We hoped that my Dad would get better (nobody moreso than he!) and the feeding tube was needed in order for him to get his nutrition and hydration in order to fight the disease. We all hoped there would come a time he would no longer need it. Unfortunately that was not the case with him, but for many, many others it IS the case. There are thousands of people who are put on feeding tubes who eventually do not need them anymore because they get better and are able to eat and drink in a normal way.

Having experienced a loved one on a feeding tube I will argue that it is no way "artificial" the way a heart and lung machine is.

56 posted on 03/15/2005 4:54:46 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: supercat

"wont allow" ???

Isn't it against the law for the hospital to allow a guardian to "not allow" things that are required for general health such as visits, antibiotics, teeth brushing??

The hospital staff administrators should be arrested by any citizen who knows where they live.


57 posted on 03/15/2005 4:56:24 PM PST by gentlestrength
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To: Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Happy2BMe; Boazo; OXENinFLA; Lady Jag; ...
More like a liberal lawyer, that is now a state judge!

Our courts, state and federal, have slowly dug themselves into a deep pit.  Terri's case is out in the MSM.   But, just imagine of the tens of thousands cases we don't hear about, or how adjudicated?   The framers of the Constitution had no idea the judicial branch would overpower both other branches of government.   Unfortunately, it all started in 1803, in Marberry v. Madison, whereas, the U.S. Supreme Court pulled off a power grab, and have never looked back.   Our wimpy Congress allowed it then, and still have done nothing to reel in a power hungry court system.

58 posted on 03/15/2005 5:00:43 PM PST by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY to 2008 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: supercat

I've heard of children who have been living with feeding tubes since they were born.


59 posted on 03/15/2005 5:07:10 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Smartass
Unfortunately, it all started in 1803, in Marberry v. Madison, whereas, the U.S. Supreme Court pulled off a power grab, and have never looked back.

A yes. MvM, where the Supreme Court said, in essence, "Well, we would find for party X, except that because in this particular case the proposed remedy would be moot, we find for party Y." Given that the proposed remedy was, in fact, moot by the time the case was decided, party X couldn't really object. And since party Y won, Y couldn't really squawk either. Hence the court managed to issue a precedent-setting opinion which nobody could squawk about.

60 posted on 03/15/2005 5:08:46 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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