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To: Doctor Stochastic
If your bishop tells you that killing your children isn't murder (perhaps because they are possessed by the devil) then what?

I didn't make myself clear. The natural law is "the first line of defense." Murder is always wrong. So, with regard to the Yeats case, there would be no need for me to seek the counsel of my bishop to determine my course of action. The case with Joan of Arc is different, since the command to undertake a war against England wasn't intrinsically evil. Whether such a course of action was prudent, or commanded by God, would have been difficult to determine.

Parenthetically, the fact of my children's possession is irrelevant. Murder is always wrong.

What if there are two conflicting bishops? The whole spiritualist outlook seems like a formula for conflict.

I am always obligated to act according to my conscience, but I am never permitted to do anything that is intrinsically evil. Since I am obligated to act according to my conscience, I am obligated to inform my conscience as best I can.

Bishops' opinions frequently differ, particularly regarding the prudence of particular courses of action, i.e., the application of principles to particular circumstances. In normal disciplinary matters (not doctrinal matters), I'm obligated to abide by the decision of my bishop, unless his command violates my conscience or the natural law.

240 posted on 03/18/2005 7:42:26 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Aquinasfan

As a Baptist I agree with Aquinasfan.

No Christian should elevate a Bishop, pastor or church above his own conscience. Each of us are responsible for our own actions directly to God. And as such, we have a responsibility to properly inform ourselves.


245 posted on 03/18/2005 7:52:56 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Aquinasfan
Murder is always wrong.

The word murd murder implies an immoral motive, not just the act of killing. If you believe that a specific act of killing is in self defense, or in the defense of your family, community or nation, then it is not murder.

Authorities seldom tell people to commit murder. They tell them what is necessary for defense.

250 posted on 03/18/2005 8:05:24 AM PST by js1138
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