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To: betty boop
What is it that changes

Can there be change outside of time? If not, then according to Goedel there wouldn't be change either. Nor would there be cause and effect.

190 posted on 03/17/2005 4:26:18 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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Can there be change outside of time? If not, then according to Goedel there wouldn't be change either. Nor would there be cause and effect.

If this is some kind of a test, and the question is: "Is there change [from?] outside of time?", my recorded answer would be: Yes. And No. It all depends on how you look at the problem. :^)

On the one hand, change needs time to "happen in." Outside of time, there is no change. But on the other hand, change qua change has no meaning. It suggests an endless progression of states with no point in view.

While this might pass as state-of-the-art scientific reasoning these days, personally I know very few human beings who would be willing to live by a rule like that. And in fact, don't. (What is the predictive value of a science that produces results that depart from the way humans actually live and think?) :^)

202 posted on 03/17/2005 8:30:43 PM PST by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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