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Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations
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Posted on 03/15/2005 12:22:27 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations By David Espo The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrats served notice Tuesday that they will slow or stop most Senate business if Republicans unilaterally change the rules to assure confirmation of President Bush's controversial court appointments.

Any such change would mark "an unprecedented abuse of power," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

Reid, the Democratic leader, exempted military and national security legislation from the threat, and said Democrats would not block passage of measures needed to assure continuation of critical government services.

"To shut down the Senate would be irresponsible and partisan," Frist said in swift rebuttal. "The solution is simple: return to 200 years of tradition and allow up or down votes on judges."

The exchange marked the latest development in a long-simmering struggle over Bush's court appointments. Democrats blocked votes on 10 nominees during the last Congress, attacking them as too conservative to warrant lifetime appointments.

Accusing Democrats of obstruction, Republicans sought to make an issue of it in the elections last fall, in which they gained four seats.

Bush has already renominated some of the judges, and Reid has said previously the Democrats' position has not changed.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; dirtyrats; doit; doomsdayoption; govwatch; obstructionistdems; rats; sorelosers; ussenate; winwin
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To: Bigh4u2
I thought that the Senate only needed a majority of party members in order vote on bills?

I don't think it requires a majority of BOTH parties.

You have four parties in the Senate:

Democrats

Republicans

"Independents" (Jeffords)

RINOs (and accomodationists)

You don't think that the dims can strip off 5 of those 7 to defeat the nuclear option?  I'll almost guarantee you the first four will vote against the Republicans if it comes down to a confrontation.  Specter will quote "Scottish Law" again.  Don't you think one of the other 3, or someone I haven't named, will also jump ship in order to exercise some degree of power?

Remember in the play 1776, the final vote was put to a man who would be remembered as "the one who defeated independence" if he voted against, or only remembered, if at all, as one of the many who who voted for it.  In that version he didn't want to stand out, so voting for independence was his "safe choice."  None of these prima donnas merely want to be "one of the pack."  If they have an opportunity to stand out, to be seen as casting the deciding vote, they'll jump at it, even if it means betraying every position they've ever taken.  That goes for others, like Lott or a dozen other Republicans.

There are a few, but not a lot of, admirable people in the Senate, on either side.

161 posted on 03/15/2005 2:18:21 PM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, a real filibuster would be interesting from Mr Reid. I've never quite seen anyone display a temper tantrum for 24 hours straight.


162 posted on 03/15/2005 2:25:52 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: All

Pray tell, what would be the harm in shutting down the senate? Talk about self-important snobbery! We can do just fine without these phony-baloney bastards infringing our rights and taxing us to the poorhouse. Go for it, boys.


163 posted on 03/15/2005 2:27:05 PM PST by thelastvirgil (Idiot-proof ANYTHING, and someone will build a better idiot.)
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To: Pete
if Republicans unilaterally change the rules

They always call it "unilateral" when they don't like what's going on? It's like they learned a new word and look for any opportunity to use it.

164 posted on 03/15/2005 2:29:15 PM PST by jerri
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To: Sub-Driver

Yo...Rats. Say hello to my little friend!

165 posted on 03/15/2005 2:30:41 PM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: Sub-Driver
Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations

Sounds like the ultimate win win to me

166 posted on 03/15/2005 2:31:07 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Sub-Driver

Too bad they couldnt stop business before that awful bankruptcy "reform" bill was passed.


167 posted on 03/15/2005 2:33:44 PM PST by montag813
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To: Don@VB
"Open Question...Is there any precedent for filibustering judicial appointments that have cleared committie?"

Yes, I think so.

There was an old hack that LBJ wanted to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court - Abe Fortas.
Mr. Fortas was a crook - why else would he be a friend of LBJ's? - and the GOP fillibustered him. When it became known that Fortas had lied to the Senate Judiciary committee, and that he'd accepted bribes from a known convict, a vote to end the fillibuster failed, and Fortas finally withdrew his nomination.

Subsequently, he resigned from the SCOTUS, by which time he was so notorious he was unable to even rejoin the law firm he had founded!

168 posted on 03/15/2005 2:36:52 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Puppage

A few tips in credibility:

1) Use correct facts (Oklahoma, not New Mexico)

2) Use the Caps Lock key sparingly

3) Try to avoid subjective statements ( "THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE" )


169 posted on 03/15/2005 2:38:04 PM PST by NeoConDave
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To: OldFriend

LOL


170 posted on 03/15/2005 2:38:39 PM PST by jerri
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To: tollytee
"The Senate was merely operating under the rules they set for themselves and enacted by majority vote at the time."

Do tell.

The salient point is that there's nothing in the Constitution to prevent a rules change.

171 posted on 03/15/2005 2:38:43 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Sub-Driver

Rather circular logic here: --- Democrats threaten to stop Senate business...unless they're allowed to stop Senate business.


172 posted on 03/15/2005 2:43:33 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: tollytee
The Senate changed the effect of that rule several years ago by requiring 60 votes to end debate on a nominee and vote up or down on the issue. This 'Cloture' rule has been used to keep a vote from occurring in many cases, especially, but not exclusively, when Dems are in the minority. The Reps are now going to go back to the old rule of a simply majority to close debate to force votes on Bush's nominee.

Your information is incorrect. The cloture rule applies to all debate and is not exclusive to nominees as you appear to imply. Additionally, ONLY dems have violated 200 years of tradition and the spirit of the rules by evoking a filibuster to prevent an up or down vote on judges. If you disagree -produce one example.

173 posted on 03/15/2005 2:44:25 PM PST by DBeers
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To: Brad Cloven
Grandma’s Social Security check won’t be an issue. Dingy Harry’s threat effects the Congress only. The rest of the Federal Government will still function as usual. We will still be bombarded by the bizarre requests that they demand from us. As a few of the previous posters have stated, the only ones that will be hurt are the Dem's. The move will help get rid of Ted (hic) Kennedy and few of the other Dem's that will be running in 2006
174 posted on 03/15/2005 2:45:44 PM PST by stan_25 (If you can’t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch)
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To: DBeers

Does this mean we're getting closer to the Revolution now? I'm tired of waiting and tolerating these socialist who are destroying the country.


175 posted on 03/15/2005 2:46:25 PM PST by confederate66
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To: Sub-Driver

Any such change would mark "an unprecedented abuse of power," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.


you mean like ruling the ban on same sex marriage unconstitutional, even though the people voted for the ban? abuse like that?


176 posted on 03/15/2005 2:47:34 PM PST by beansox
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To: NRA2BFree

Hillary is gettng no where near the White House. Unless the Republicans are dumb enough to run Condi.


177 posted on 03/15/2005 2:51:48 PM PST by Bullish
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To: SandyInSeattle
Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations Yea!,now if we could stop the liberal judges,I be a happy guy.
178 posted on 03/15/2005 2:51:57 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: Sub-Driver

Time to call their bluff.


179 posted on 03/15/2005 2:55:36 PM PST by Warhammer (I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.)
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To: geedee

Shouldn't that be
Rat fight! Rat fight!


180 posted on 03/15/2005 2:58:46 PM PST by hoosiermama (Party affiliation merits stating only if unique not common place.... R = unique. D=common place)
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