Posted on 03/14/2005 7:53:10 PM PST by rface
...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument......I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative
Wednesday's (March 9th) intellectual exchange between Ann Coulter and Peter Beinart was both stimulating and disappointing, but above all, it was quite unsettling.
Both candidates had significant strengths, and they were surely worthy opponents. And it is always a privilege to witness such free exchange of discourse. However, while the debate was feisty and witty, I was left with an overall disturbing sense of deep hatred and political regression.
Beinart, editor of The New Republic (liberal), relied on many facts, figures and statistics, giving his argument an objective strength. Coulter did not respond with as many tangible figures, weakening her position. Beinhart's weakness, however, lay in his inability to keep the argument impersonal. He directed numerous insults at Coulter, most of which were completely irrelevant to the discussion topic.
This reflected the greatest strength of Coulter. She began her opening statements with praise for Beinart. She lauded him as a worthy opponent, a future leader of his party, and a man of great intellect. Beinart did no such thing. Coulter maintained her composure upon the assailment of numerous attacks and withheld from personal retorts completely. In one of her earlier books, "Slander," Coulter argues that liberals cannot debate without using personal insult as a tool, and Beinart certainly proved her point. She prevailed, in my opinion, as the classier of the two in her ability to maintain the purity of the debate without stooping to personally insult her fellow debater.
However, although Coulter was able to abstain from attacking Beinart, she was unable to debate without using vindictive commentary about others. In response to Beinart's factual discussion of Bill Clinton's presidency and what made it so great, she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument.
The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity. The purpose of debate is to match facts, reason, and logic to find the ultimate truth that lies within the framework of the debate topic. It is not about who can coin the wittiest one-liners or appeal emotionally to the most people. It is certainly not about who can draw the most laughter or the loudest applause from the audience. The exchange between the two arguers was entertaining, but fell quite short of debate. The atmosphere in Cabot was that of a show, not a serious discussion.
What was most disappointing and indeed quite disturbing was the reaction of the Tufts audience. There was booing and shouting. Afterwards, I overheard a girl say that "people like her [Coulter] should not be allowed to write books," and the comment was received with emphatic agreement. Albeit a comment made in jest, the feeling of hatred in the debate room made it eerie and made my night walk home much darker.
Another girl made a profanity-laden statement that Coulter is a "neo-nazi." I would challenge her to think more carefully about what exactly neo-nazism entails, and when and where exactly Coulter has fit that highly offensive profile before being so boldly accusatory.
Finally, I heard Coulter referred to as a "nutcase" more than once. If that is true, then she is certainly a nutcase in high demand with several popular books, and one who can gracefully hold her own in a room full of hate.
Above all, this debate cast a shadow on my vision of America's political future. While I fully embrace the freedom of discourse and encourage it wholeheartedly, I believe these highly partisan debates can bring nothing but regression. They breed hate and further solidify political schisms. They make people cry out for censorship. They work in no way towards understanding. How much longer can America stand if its most educated citizens are so deeply divided by misunderstanding and hate?
Every great power has unknowingly induced its own demise. My fear is that Abraham Lincoln has already foreseen ours with his statement that "a house divided against itself cannot stand." My genuine plea to fellow believers in the human mind is to throw off self-righteous mantles of partisanship and to work instead towards a more progressive dialogue. Let us make Tufts a birthplace of objective communication in a world of such disarray. Objectivity is the human's only key to truth and provides the only framework within real progress can be sought.
I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.
Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.
Colter is a joke. She probably did lose.
She's like our version of Michael Moore: Funny, but worthless.
Ashley Samelson obviously is quite taken aback in her naivete by seeing for the first time in decades a conservative viewpoint expressed in full battle-dress against the usual liberal mindset that is so deeply ensconced in universities.
Maybe she'll also learn that you can't really trust your feelings, you must learn to exercise logic in political reasoning.
Ashley Samuelson is a confused idiot...
Yes, I'm sure that this girl was a conservative republican fron the start, and hearing Ann Coulter has let her "see the light."
Actually, from this report, Ann is being true to form... To paraphrase her from an interview, "if you don't leave liberals sputtering in rage, you're not doing your job!"
Mark
Yeah, I'm sure somone knows the 'truth' about this little subversive RINO/CINO...
Bookmarked for later read.
"Beinart, editor of The New Republic(liberal), relied on many facts, figures and statistics...."
Ms. Samelson knows this to be true because.....??????
"Objectivity is the only key to truth."
I must disagree. The key to truth begins with honesty. It would appear to me that Ms. Samelson has lost her keys, if she ever had them to begin with.
"Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major."
But of course she has. Ms. Samelson majors in Abeyance.
Don't let it bother you, Ashley. People WILL say mean things about the former 'President' you love so much. He WAS a scoundrel. He still is. This is me saying something critical about ole 'Soldier Willie', Ashley - and if you remember his 'soldiering' defense at one point. Truth will out. And an unpleasant man may have unpleasant things said of him. It can happen, Ashley. Of course, one attempting to be productive and courageous may have much the same falsely said of him - witness the slanders against President Bush. Am I right, Ashley?
bttt
Doesn't sound like she was a Republican from 1993 to 2001.
"...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument"
I don't see what is so "subjective" about that statement. Seems to me to be plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for the truth of it.
I know I know, but its soooo frustrating being way out here in Okinawa all by my lonesome......
Oh I never forget my blanket, however I replace my teddy bear from bygone days with my K-bar. Same fuzzy feeling with an edge ;)
Ashley Samelson may not have yet declared a major, but she has clearly declared herself a nitwit!
I hope you know I was just teasing you---I would like to be Ann's age, let alone her being old enough to be my MOM!
LOL
I am glad to have some young people on the this website--I know when I was younger, and having children and working, I didn't take the time to learn and vote with the knowledge that I needed...I'm glad you are
I am a big fan of Ann Coulter, because she is as outspoken in a way that I never have been able to be (shy)--she is sometimes shockingly brusque but she does it with such a cute smile, that I forgive her!!! LOL
This statement proves to me whom won the debate.
It is a natural response from people on the left to use force against opposing views.
These Chuck Schumer Republicans really annoy me.
Quick question; whats you're definition of young people anyway? I'm starting to think I made an ass out of myself....
Bill Clinton was a horny hick, but I've been saying for a while that Coulter is not healthy for conservatism.
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