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VoIP to Fuel Plague of 'Dialing for Dollars'
www.internetnews.com ^ | March 11, 2005 | Michael Singer

Posted on 03/14/2005 8:26:05 AM PST by Bobalu

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Oh great! We finally get a break from all the solicitation calls and now VoiP is going to bring them back with a vengance :-(
1 posted on 03/14/2005 8:26:06 AM PST by Bobalu
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To: Bobalu
The New Face Of Spam. Film At 11.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 03/14/2005 8:30:45 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bobalu

It's ok. It's the free market. I'm sure most around here will eagerly welcome the enterprising foreign telemarketers!


3 posted on 03/14/2005 8:34:25 AM PST by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: Bobalu

Looks like the telephone will be the next great wasteland. If I have to deal with dozens of telemarketing calls a day I'll just unplug the damn thing and go back to writing letters.


4 posted on 03/14/2005 8:40:15 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Bobalu

"According to Cohen, the solution is to educate people not to buy things over the phone, a process that's harder than it sounds."

That, and leave the caller on hold, to raise his costs.


5 posted on 03/14/2005 8:42:14 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Bobalu
"If you thought spam was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet,"

I need a drink...

6 posted on 03/14/2005 8:43:30 AM PST by Drango (All my ideas, good or bad, are stolen from other FReepers)
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To: Bobalu
the solution is to educate people not to buy things over the phone

I've been saying this for years - DONT ENCOURAGE THEM !

If nobody buys the stuff they're selling, they'll stop selling it this way.

7 posted on 03/14/2005 8:43:54 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Bobalu

Did I understand this article correctly? Are only people who use VoIP potentially affected, or is he saying that telemarketers will use VoIP to spam even those with traditional phone lines?


8 posted on 03/14/2005 9:03:21 AM PST by Obadiah
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They would use VoIP to make the calls for next to nothing. Instead of using an overseas circuit, the VoIP firms use the internet to transmit the call to the local exchange and the traditional phone network for the "last mile". So yes, even traditional phone lines will be targeted.

The good news is that even though the call rates are cheap (or free), they still have to pay for the connection to the local phone system and they also have to pay the people making the call.


9 posted on 03/14/2005 9:29:40 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: Bobalu
The telemarketers are also able to skirt opt-out policies such as the U.S. government's "Do-Not-Call" list because those rules do not apply to overseas markets.

But the sound of a whistle blown loudly into the phone will still apply to overseas markets.

10 posted on 03/14/2005 9:37:44 AM PST by omega4412
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the solution is to educate people not to buy things over the phone

Unless the buyer initiates the call.

11 posted on 03/14/2005 9:41:18 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Drango

Cripes. Pour me one too, while you're up. Make it a double.


12 posted on 03/14/2005 9:42:02 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: goldstategop
I wonder if I should admit that I've been looking into this. I've already got a few people in India doing data entry - the next step is to utilize overseas personnel to initiate sales calls. VoIP makes it all possible from a cost standpoint.

Outsourcing is the big evil at FR, but as a small business person, the cost reductions in terms of production, marketing and sales makes it all possible.

13 posted on 03/14/2005 9:47:57 AM PST by lemura
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Be careful about the economics of this.

Remember, it costs virtually nothing to bother people and make them hate you. Making them pay attention and buy is the tricky part. And while you might be able to engage 10% in conversation, I think closer to 5% of those will buy -- not 50%.

One problem with this is that the Indians and others I've talked to speak barely comprehensible English.

From a strict business point of view, people will ask "Are you from India?" and slam down the phone.

If you can find people who can speak genuinely good English, it would probably work. Otherwise it will be a disaster, even though you won't lose all that much money because salaries are so low.

I read an article in The Economist the other day about Europeans who wound up working in India for Indian telemarketing firms. Maybe you can find some good English speakers among them ...

D


14 posted on 03/14/2005 9:56:43 AM PST by daviddennis (;)
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To: lemura

Ah, we have met the enemy and he is us! In the words of that famous philosopher Pogo


15 posted on 03/14/2005 9:58:43 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Bobalu

"Oh great! We finally get a break from all the solicitation calls and now VoiP is going to bring them back with a vengance :-("

Not to worry. The VoIP spammers still need to connect to the PSTN at the last mile to get to you. As such, if you have subscribed to (As I have on all my lines) the Nat'l do not call list, you are covered and should not be subject to these un-solicited phone calls.


16 posted on 03/14/2005 10:00:12 AM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: Dog Gone; Shermy; a_Turk; Dark Wing

In addition to the horrible personal implications of this, it might have military applications.


17 posted on 03/14/2005 10:14:43 AM PST by Thud
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To: Thud

Any way you look at this, it ain't good.


18 posted on 03/14/2005 10:22:22 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Arkie2

You'd be surprised how many IT guys who have been displaced by outsourcing are looking into utilizing these very same overseas resources as they consider starting their own businesses.


19 posted on 03/14/2005 10:30:24 AM PST by lemura
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To: daviddennis
One problem with this is that the Indians and others I've talked to speak barely comprehensible English.

That's the key - it's bad enough for inbound calls, but for outbound calls, it has to be perfect. Still, the cost differential (especially from somebody doing business in Calif) is so great that it's not really an option. If India doesn't work out, then I just won't do it.

Imagine the risk of hiring/apying someone even for a few months stateside. Before you know it, you could be in for $10K vs a few hundred overseas.

20 posted on 03/14/2005 10:34:24 AM PST by lemura
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