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Posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:11 PM PST by CHARLITE
You know, it wasn't very long ago, when Catholics hated Protostants and Protostants hate Catholics. They were burning eachother at the Stake. Look at England and France in the 1500-1700s (that's when it was BAD) post Henry the 8th,
And the Puritans just hated everyone.
There is hope for Islam. Islam turned Malcolm X a former criminal into a great leader.
Oh, and it also wasn't long ago when everyone hated the Jews.
We often say that Mohammad was a pedophile, but wasn't the virgin Mary around 12 when she was impregnated. How long did people really live back then?
We can always rely on Lauralee to offer up the most astonishing non-sequiturs, and she will not disappoint.
Malcolm X a "great leader"? Not even on his very best day.
"Char, Thanks. Can you do me a favor? I don't know how to post an article on FR and this one is important... http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Yagmur50313.htm
Read it and see for yourself. Islam is unbelieveably cruel and barbaric. People have to know. If you feel about this one as I do, can you post it for me? thanks, barb
I posted too soon! Lauralee just outdid herself with her second absurd staement in as many minutes!
Liberals LOVE MLK, because MLK was a myth. Malcolm X was a leader. In his later years he was a better leader, unfortunately he was assasinated. But he was a great leader all about personal responsibility.
Bringing up what Christianity did centuries ago is an old Muslim trick. We out grew it. We evolved. They, have not. We never had a grand plan to rule the world. They do. I have been told that the war will not end until the flag of Islam flies over the White House. The PC crap has got to stop. Islam is the most dangerous threat to the world since the Nazi's. If they get a nuke, they will use it. They won't care where as long as they kill as many as they can. If any here wish to live under a regime that stones a woman on a whim, or hangs her for being raped, even when she is 13 years old, I suggest they move to Iran. I will not have it here. There are no great Muslim leaders. Never have been and never will be. Understand that if you understand nothing else.
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Christians used to burn men and women at the stake, look at mideaval punishments and the power struggle in Europe. There was cruelty there too.
I'm not saying Islam is not a problem. And Christianity has evolved. But what I am saying is, that I have hope for the Islamic people.
John, You are right. But Iraq is a special case. Most there do not follow Islam. They are what is called "muslims in name only." I get email from soldiers who say the men they work with don't stop when the call to prayers comes during the day. They don't care. They do NOT want an Islamic government there. Yes, there are fanatics and they are the one's doing the killing because they want Iraq for themselves, to join up with Iran. Even Sistani sees the evil of an Islamic government. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. He is now being called a traitor by the fundamentalists. Zakaria did a piece of crap on him calling him a Judas. Actually, the man is lucky he is still alive. Amazingly, it seems there are millions and millions of Muslims in name only. but even 10% of 1.2 billion people is a lot of people.
With this post, I fully agree. I have lived probably 10 years of my life in "muslim" countries, in the Middle East and in Southeast Asia. There ARE sensible muslims, and lots of them.
But Lauralee, they aren't the ones we are worried about.
In many conversations with my Muslim friends, some of them in their respective governments, I emphasize that what is going on today is not so much a fight between Christianity and Islam, it is a struggle within Islam over whether to adapt to the modern world, progress, democracy, moderation of dreams of world conquest, or to go beck to a mythical version of 14th century Islam, with saracen blades and charging steeds, all manifested in the 21st century as suicide bombers and hijacked airliners.
Because, I explained, we won't stand for it. And if we have to sort it out, it will be very messy and much uglier than need be, because we are not as astute as they would be at figuring out just who is who.
The sensible Muslims don't have forever to get this job done. President Bush has been wiser than anyone had any right to expect in creating precisely the conditions that sensible Muslims needed to start this liberating process, and it is already underway.
I think that five years out, the political and cultural landscape across the Muslim world will be in the midst of a democratic transformation of historical proportion.
By the way, you CAN argue with history, and probably most of the wars ever fought have their roots in some sort of argument over who gets to write it.
BTTT
This is what I've tried to explain to the "antiwar" folks. Bush is trying the soft option now, promoting reform in Arabia and the Muslim world. If this war fails, it doesn't mean the war ends, it means we move onto the hard option. That means millions upon millions of dead Muslims. Americans are NOT going to be defeated in this war. The only question is how the Muslims are going to be defeated, the soft way or the hard way. I've told the "antiwar" folks, that if they truly were antiwar, they'd be backing Bush 100%. But, alas, they are blind.
Unless you consider 1400 years of forced conversions a 'track record'. Of course the people of Egypt, northern Africa, Spain and other might not agree.
Puritans hated everyone? Not so, Laura.
What books are you obtaining your historical information from?
Malcolm X was a great leader? How so?
Mary was approximately 14, which was typical for that era.
incredible, isn't it?
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