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To: nmh
No one owes you a living

It depends. Have you ever heard of legacy public employees; children of parents in the same work, fire fighters, police, administrators, etc? They certainly feel as if they are owed, parent and child alike.

Again, it's ironic that this is phrased in free market terms if indeed it is true that Microsoft rigged the market, itself, in Windows. Isn't it true that they purposely cripple the public documentation of their products in order to provide a marginal advantage to those paying for training programs and seminars, who then further act to their employers as a sales staff for Microsoft products? If so, the further joke might be on them. The actual free market seems to be slowly inching away from Microsoft. When Win 3.1 hit for the use of Truetype and legacy compatibility, with the newest Mosaic browser written for Windows, it seemed a great solution and product for all business and niche users. But now Microsoft is seen as oppressive, incompetent, dangerous in some way for lack of security measures, etc. And that incompetence and seeming lack of concern for customers is, I think, precisely the opposite of the sense in the early 80s when Win 3.1 basically launched, or relaunched, the company. I think their thinking has become ever more twisted. And I do think that Gates constant fear that another company is gaining on him is justified in 2005.

116 posted on 03/14/2005 1:50:08 PM PST by sevry
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I've found that you don't latch on to 'languages', you hitch your wagon to 'concepts'. List the concepts that make for a superior programming environment:

Learn/use a language with those concepts, and then you can port your skills to the next 'latest, greatest' language-du-jour.

I've been working in Java full time for over 8 years now. Because of my abilities with OO and the 3-tiered world, I've actually been offered .NET architecture jobs several times. And when something better than Java comes along I'll have skills that will still be marketable (from my experience, I do *not* believe that .net fits in this catagory, but YMMV).

117 posted on 03/14/2005 2:53:54 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: sevry
Isn't it true that they purposely cripple the public documentation of their products in order to provide a marginal advantage to those paying for training programs and seminars, who then further act to their employers as a sales staff for Microsoft products?

Clue phone: Try going to MSDN and tell me that the documentation is "crippled". Sheez ... some people ...
120 posted on 03/14/2005 3:27:25 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: sevry
You are beginning to sound like an entitled liberal.

No one owes you a pay check.

No one needs to appease you.

No one cares if you don't like the new product or upgrade.

You are very replaceable, at a cheaper rate.

Programming and database work is not rocket science.

Be happy you have a job or if you don't like the company, or your manager etc. leave and work for someone else. To work in technology, you are required to keep up with the latest. If you can't then leave the profession. You'll be a happier person and so will others around you.

Whatever you do, end this ENTITLEMENT mentality. You sound like a whiny liberal.
123 posted on 03/14/2005 3:52:41 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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