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Mildly Pro Choice?
Catholic Way ^ | 3/13/05 | Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 03/13/2005 12:11:42 PM PST by tcg

Mildly Pro Choice? By: Keith A. Fournier © Third Millennium, LLC

On March 12, 2005 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was interviewed by the Washington Times. The interview has fueled the growing speculation that she may be entertaining a bid for the Presidency in 2008. Not because she acknowledged such an intention but simply because she refused to “rule it out”. The speculation has been fueled by a torrent of articles and is the continual banter of talk radio and blogs. It was begun by Dick Morris, the seemingly ever present political speculator.

The Washington D.C. chatter culture is spinning over a possible woman to woman match in 2008 for the Presidency of the United States.

In the blue corner is Senator Hillary Clinton who has been making all the moves that clearly signify her intention to run. She has also begun a bizarre effort to make herself sound as if she somehow sympathizes with the pro-life position while her rhetoric and record are unapologetically in favor of abortion on demand.

In the red corner is Secretary Rice who has captured the attention of many in both parties through her presence, her political savvy and her excellent communication skills. Otherwise clearly pro-life members of her own party seem willing to give her a pass on this issue for reasons I simply do not understand.

Oh, I know, we are repeatedly told that it is too early to speculate about the 2008 race. But is it? The horses are already lining up at the gate. The money is beginning to flow. The fact is that the race is already underway. That is why it is so vital that engaged pro-life people begin to work now to assure that the momentum toward building a culture of life continues. For millions of Americans this issue is not a “single issue” but rather the lens through which the entirety of policy and politics is viewed. The dignity of every human person, at every age and stage, from the first home of the whole human race, a mother’s womb, through and including the sanctuary of the death bed, is the polestar of every economic and public policy issue. While it is true that there are an array of vitally important issues that must also be considered, there is also a hierarchy of values to be applied in the political and policy arena. How one views our obligations to the ones who Mother Theresa rightly called the “poorest of the poor”, children in the womb who have no voice, speaks loudly of how one views the dignity of life itself. The race reveals a serious dearth of concern, in both major parties, for the right to life and the freedom to be born.

Much has been made about the fact that Secretary Rice was the daughter of a preacher, a Presbyterian minister. Yet, in this interview while explaining love for fashion, she made an interesting admission. She said that while her father was preparing for his sermons, she and her mother would shop. One wishes now that she had considered the content of the both the Bible and the unbroken Christian tradition concerning the inviolable dignity of every human person, more than the latest styles.

In the interview she, like Senator Clinton has on several occasions done recently, spoke of her "deep religious faith." Persons of faith must live a unity of life. Religious faith is not “private” in the sense of keeping its influence outside of our daily life. The truths of faith should inform everything that we do. When directly asked about abortion, Secretary Rice sounded very similar to the Senator from new York, saying that abortion should be “as rare a circumstance as possible," and adding "We should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other….So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it."

It gets murkier. She spoke of pro-lifers as "the other side" and tried to carve herself a niche as being "in effect kind of libertarian on this issue." Then she used the phrase that I have chosen as the title of this article. She spoke of herself as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican. Let me be clear, she also said that she is “….a strong proponent of parental notification.” That is good. She referred to herself as “….a strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion”, the procedure more akin to infanticide wherein a child is partially delivered so that just the head is accessible only to have his or her brains sucked out. That is simply not enough.

Abortion is the intentional execution of an innocent human person in the first home of the whole human race. Innocent human life must always be defended against this kind of aggression! The claim of being “mildly” pro-choice is like the claim of being a “little bit pregnant”. Every procured abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human person. For example, why do we say that a woman “lost her baby when she miscarries? Yet, in the case of a procured abortion, we call it “a choice” and a “right.” Or worse, why do we allow politicians to continually refer to it as a “difficult moral issue” as the Secretary did in this interview. Leaders need to lead. This issue is not difficult. It is absolutely clear. This issue is also not simply “religious” in the sense that only religious people feel a certain way about it. Rather, it concerns a fundamental human right. The child in the womb is a human person. Medical science has confirmed what our consciences have long known – what is affirmed by the Natural Law written on every human heart - abortion is killing the innocent.

Like most Americans, I would love to see a talented woman become our President. Perhaps it would finally put behind us a history of discrimination against women. In the case of Secretary Rice, her holding the position would also put another sad fact of our past behind us, discrimination against people of color. However, just as during the last election cycle, when John Kerry tried to run as “a Catholic”, I will make my decision on who to support based upon their positions on the fundamental issues of our age. Choosing someone who claimed to be a Catholic, while he opposed the infallible teaching of his own Church concerning this issue, was not an option for me. Similarly, supporting a woman who is wrong on this issue, simply because she is a woman, is wrong.

There are several dangers emerging in this political plot. Let me discuss just a few.

Secretary Rice has referred to herself as being “libertarian” on this issue. By that she means that she is not pro-life. One cannot believe it is ever right to give someone a choice to do what is always and everywhere wrong. This is one of the areas where the role of Government, to protect innocent human beings against unjust aggression, is eminently clear. Though I believe, as a Catholic Christian, that libertarianism is antithetical to the Christian vision of the human person, the family and the human community, I must point out that even some “libertarians”, such as “libertarians for life”, oppose abortion. The growing “libertarian” impulse in Republican politics may mark a decided turn in the party that will make it increasingly difficult to support, even though between the two parties, it at least has a pro-life platform.

Then there is the tired label, “conservative.” Many faithful Christians, Protestant, Evangelical, Catholic and Orthodox, who have stood faithful to the clear and unbroken tradition of Christianity that procured abortion is always wrong and can never be justified, have been painted into a corner by letting themselves be “labeled” as conservatives. The arguments are already being made that a “conservative” should want issues decided by the States and not favor a big Federal Government. Based on the Christian ordering principle of subsidiarity, I share the desire to keep good governance at the lowest practical level. However, my opposition to abortion is rooted in my opposition to murder. It is a legitimate role of government to protect its citizens from unjust aggression. Abortion is unjust aggression against an innocent victim who is incapable of defending himself or herself. Sending it “back to the Sates” is no solution. Just as slavery was wrong and rightly required a National policy to oppose it and to undo its harm, abortion is wrong and requires the same approach at every level of government.

Here come the “pro-choice” Republicans. Like the “pro-choice” Democrats, they are beginning to spout the platitudes of people who simply have no courage. It is in how we respond to this issue that the soul and future of our Nation will be revealed. The very nature of freedom lies at the heart of the entire discussion. In his monumental encyclical letter entitled the “Gospel of Life”, Pope John Paul II warned of a “counterfeit notion of freedom” as a raw power over others who are weaker. He also wrote about the possible the “death of true freedom” resulting from unmooring our freedom to choose from reference to unchanging truths such as the right to life.

This interview with Secretary Rice should rouse every champion of true freedom to begin to act for the 2008 race now. We need candidates, be they Democrat or Republican, whose position on the right to life is absolutely clear. Not people who claim to be “mildly pro-choice.” ________________________________________________________ Keith A. Fournier is a human rights lawyer and public policy advocate.


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To: jla

"How do you know she's a "conservative"? "

I've read enough about her over the years to know this. As for her specific positions, we'll find out if she becomes a candidate. As I said, I will bet that they are close to GWB's.

She'll make a terrific candidate. The relatively small portion of voters who'll sit on their hands in 08 will be more than made up for by moderates, especially those who are African American.


181 posted on 03/15/2005 6:02:22 AM PST by zook
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To: Hildy
Oxymaroon? Is that supposed to be a word? An insult?

Actually, it is a humorous conflation of the word "oxymoron" with the common forum practice, which originated I believe on a cartoon show, of calling a moron, instead a "maroon." Thanks for asking.

182 posted on 03/15/2005 8:11:48 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

LOL...you really thought I was asking that as a question? Seriously, how old are you?


183 posted on 03/15/2005 8:30:17 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
you really thought I was asking that as a question?

Given your sophomoric responses on this thread to date, yes. You've displayed no basis on which to conclude otherwise.

Seriously, how old are you?

Comfortably middle-aged. You?

184 posted on 03/15/2005 8:42:39 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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To: Grendel9

Do rapists deserve the death penalty?


185 posted on 03/15/2005 8:58:15 AM PST by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreedomCalls

Actually, yes it does. Killing a child conceived in rape or incest is still killing a child. That's evil. It's never necessary.

And abortions to save the mother's life aren't abortions. The goals is to save life, not kill life. Death is a consequence, not a goal.


186 posted on 03/15/2005 9:10:38 AM PST by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
>>>Anyone that thinks the murder of innocent human life is acceptable is pure evil IMHO.

>>Does that go for President Bush's acceptance of the three exceptions?

>Actually, yes it does. Killing a child conceived in rape or incest is still killing a child. That's evil. It's never necessary.

So then President Bush is "pure evil" by your criteria?

187 posted on 03/15/2005 9:32:00 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: trisham
it was my understanding that he was speaking to not just the poster to whom he was responding, but to all those here who feel the same way.

Do we know that all those here who feel the same way have enough votes to swing the election but not enough to bring about a political realignment?

188 posted on 03/16/2005 1:13:54 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Cicero
if the Republicans manage to offend religious voters by nominating a pro-abortion candidate, they will not lose single votes. They will lose a substantial part of the 15 million additional voters who turned out for Bush in 2004.

Agreed. Let's hope they're not that dumb.

189 posted on 03/16/2005 1:15:22 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: oldbrowser
Your single vote could decide the outcome. It is not possible to know if it won't

It's about as likely as being killed by a meteorite, and I'll give the possibility no more weight than that in my decisions.

190 posted on 03/16/2005 1:18:00 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: oldbrowser
in the end only one candidate will get elected.

Of course.

Your votes will either help or hinder the winning candidate.

My vote will help the candidate I vote for, and be an equal hindrance to every candidate I don't vote for.

You personally will be partially responsible for the winning candidate.

Doesn't follow.

191 posted on 03/16/2005 1:20:53 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
Do we know that all those here who feel the same way have enough votes to swing the election but not enough to bring about a political realignment?

**************

No, but I don't think that was (Erick's?) point. I hate to keep speaking for him, but...

It was the theory of some that one of the reasons President Bush won in '04 was because of the evangelical/religious right. If enough of that voting block sits out the '08 election, the Republican candidate may well lose.

From the perspective of pro-life issues, Hillary would be a disaster.

192 posted on 03/16/2005 1:35:23 PM PST by trisham
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To: trisham
From the perspective of pro-life issues, Hillary would be a disaster.

Agreed. But it's not clear that anyone would have a moral duty to vote for an only marginally less disastrous candidate. If I thought my single vote would decide the outcome, I'd have to think long and hard; but since I know it won't, I can state right now that I will not vote for a candidate who is "pro-choice" even if their opponent is even more so.

193 posted on 03/16/2005 1:46:07 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: jla
if the pro-lifers staying home on election day

They should turn out to vote for the pro-life Constitution Party.

194 posted on 03/16/2005 1:49:31 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
But it's not clear that anyone would have a moral duty to vote for an only marginally less disastrous candidate. If I thought my single vote would decide the outcome, I'd have to think long and hard; but since I know it won't, I can state right now that I will not vote for a candidate who is "pro-choice" even if their opponent is even more so.

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If there was a pro-life Republican candidate that I thought had a chance of winning against Hillary, I would vote for him/her. I firmly distrust Hillary, and even the possibility of partial-birth abortions coming back into being is so horrifying to me that I just won't take that chance.

It may be that my perspective regarding this issue is dead wrong. I've certainly been wrong, and regretfully so in the past.

195 posted on 03/16/2005 2:01:24 PM PST by trisham
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To: jla
it's reprehensible that you and those of like minds would risk having the G.O.P. lose the White House because you backed a pro-choice candidate and forced the Pro-Lifers & Christian Right to withhold their support.

Agreed. Appalling that some would court and coddle "moderate" voters, while tossing crumbs to conservatives and demanding slavish gratitude for it.

196 posted on 03/16/2005 2:03:11 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: trisham
If there was a pro-life Republican candidate that I thought had a chance of winning against Hillary, I would vote for him/her.

It's too early to be writing anyone off; any current poll advantage Hillary has is due to name recognition.

197 posted on 03/16/2005 2:06:20 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: zook
Condoleeza Rice, John McCain, and Rudy Giuliani will not survive the GOP primaries unless there are no substantial conservative candidates. Any of these three, should they win the nomination by conservatives failing to bring out and support strong candidares, will alienate a portion of the Republican base. The recent poll on FR that showed 30% of the respondents would wither sit out the election or vote for a third party in a Giuliani vs. Clinton matchup is telling. Granted that FReepers are more conservative than the norm, they are also a source of the activists any successful Republican candidate needs to call voters, canvass precincts, etc. If 30% of such activists are alienated, and a substantial portion of the remaining 70% in "holding my nose when I vote" mode, any Presidential campaign by these three is doomed.

You argue that Rice would attract a greater portion of the African-American vote. It could also be argued, and perhaps more convincingly, that Giuliani would play strongly among Italian-Americans, who are far more moderate politically. One could argue that Giuliani could win in New York and New Jersey because of the Italian-American factor. However, what he would gain in neighboring Pennsylvania in areas of Italian concentration would likely be lost to indifference or third party candidacies in the heavily German and Scotch-Irish "T zone" that is the core of Republican strength in that state.

A similar argument could be made for Rice. Further, the black vote is heavily concentrated in large urban areas where electoral politics are locked in the iron grip of corrupt Democratic machines. She might increase the GOP vote among African Americans from 11% to say 25%, but rest assured that ward heelers from Oakland to New York City would ensure that the cemeteries and skid rows generated enough voters to assure Democratic victories.

The American public is basically polarized and split almost 50-50, as the last four Presidential elections have shown. Any Republican candidate to the left of President Bush will suffer from indifference and even hostility from conservatives and will lose.

198 posted on 03/16/2005 2:26:34 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Mr. Blonde
Yes, but the evolution of culture doesn't necessarily mean it is decaying.

Evolution as generally used connotes a movement toward greater complexity and higher intelligence in biological life. The American society of 1955 had far less crime, drug addiction, sexual promiscuity and deviancy, broken families, and mental disorders than that of 2005. Few neighborhoods were effectively off-limits, police officers and other government officials were both more respectful and more respected, and public schools, for the most part, effectively taught a large majority of students the three Rs with a minimum of indoctrination. The level of state and local taxation was lower than today. Newspapers, billboards, and the mass media were not filled with promotions of sexual excess and glorification of bad behavior. Government was neutral, and even friendly, toward parents disciplining their children, unlike the situation today.

America in 1955 had its flaws, such as racial segregation, rampant and corrupt unions, unchecked air and water pollution, and oppressively high Federal taxes. However, it is hard to see from a "big picture" viewpoint, how America has "evolved" in the common use of that word. "Devolution" would be a better description of the past 50 years.

199 posted on 03/16/2005 3:17:27 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Know your rights
It's about as likely as being killed by a meteorite, and I'll give the possibility no more weight than that in my decisions.

The probability may be small but it is real. Besides lots of other things such as winning margin are significant.

I your case however, it might be better if you just stayed home since I suspect that you just might be a troll out for a good time.

200 posted on 03/16/2005 4:57:59 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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