[sevry]

read up on this topic

Any author in particular? And I suspect I still won't see things your way. I've said this to you a few times, already. We may agree to disagree.

[nopardons]

This isn't a case where we can just "agree to disagree". It is factula statements (mine),versus hyperbolic UTOPIANISM and no facts at all (yours).

I'll make a book list and send it vis FREEPmail.