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Judge says DCF can't intervene in Terri Schiavo case
Associated Press ^ | March 10, 2005 | Mitch Stacy

Posted on 03/10/2005 12:22:56 PM PST by amdgmary

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To: Dog Gone; 8mmMauser

I doubt he was attempting to use his thoughts as a "legal basis for argument." Where did he say that was even his intent?


261 posted on 03/10/2005 6:39:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Dog Gone
No, you took the easy way out. Come back to earth and we can talk.

Let's nail you down. Do you think Terri Shiavo should die by starvation because the courts said so despite no written word of hers exists anywhere on the face of the Earth?

262 posted on 03/10/2005 6:39:29 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Dog Gone
Greer is doing his job given the law he has in front of him

That point I disagree with in the case of Schiavo stating that Terri would want the tube removed. When Schiavo made the claim, he was living with his fiancee already and had a real conflict of interest. The law calls for clear and convincing evidence and that wasn't it.

263 posted on 03/10/2005 6:39:33 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Annie03
I'm not sure the new law they propose is quite fair to people like my husband, who has made his wishes clear and expects me to honor them.

The new law does not affect those whose wishes are in writing.

264 posted on 03/10/2005 6:41:49 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Heisenberg
>>...credibly testify that the treatment options that they offered would significantly improve Terry Schiavo's quality of life.

Give it up Heisenberg, In THIS country, we don't kill people because we don't approve of their "quality of life". - HEY, I don't approve of YOUR quality of life - So am I allowed to kill you???

Or maybe this... you name sounds jewish, so would it be right to put you in a time machine and send you back to 1942 Berlin? </SARCASM>





             
265 posted on 03/10/2005 6:42:36 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: nicmarlo
I doubt he was attempting to use his thoughts as a "legal basis for argument." Where did he say that was even his intent?

I don't understand your question. If it was in response to my post, it's even less clear.

266 posted on 03/10/2005 6:43:13 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; 8mmMauser

Additionally, what motivates a person has every bearing on every court case. With some, it is greed, with others, it is hate, with others, it is their spiritual influence. Just because 8mm believes that Felos is being spiritual influenced by demonic forces doesn't mean his thoughts belong on a religion thread, just because a discussion of spiritual influences as possible motivation makes you feel uncomfortable.


267 posted on 03/10/2005 6:44:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: DJ MacWoW
Greer is doing his job given the law he has in front of him""

No, according to a Florida International University law professor who had an article in the Miami Herald last week, Greer has to find by substantial evidence that Terri would want to die - - - but the evidence on which he based his decision isn't substantial, it's flimsy, as the prof noted. It consists of a casual remark made during a TV movie years ago -- and didn't even concern the question of nutrition tube, as opposed to more artificial life support. The law prof said it was "shocking" that the judge would base his decision for death on such scanty evidence - - - especially since there was anecdotal evidence on the other side. When there isn't a preponderance one way or the other, Florida law says you don't withdraw feeding. So the Judge is NOT "just doing his job." He's either incompetent, or twisting the law with a pro-death agenda.

268 posted on 03/10/2005 6:46:08 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Dog Gone

Then perhaps you need to re-read the posts. It's quite clear what I was responding to (I quoted your response to 8mm's thoughts) and explained why I didn't agree with your statement (the one I quoted).


269 posted on 03/10/2005 6:47:08 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Polyxene
Please listen to Chuck Swindol on Insight for Living. In the book of Esther, he talks about Haman, and how we all have evil in us, controlled only by the Grace of God.

Then Chuck talked about the evil of holding grudges. Perhaps our prayers are not being answered because we have not confessed our own sin. I know that I must confess my own hatred.

We all know the verse: "Love you enemies. Bless those who curse you and pray for those who mistreat you." I know it is a lot easier to forgive someone for hurting me than for hurting someone I love.

There is another verse: Romans 12:20 tells us that by praying for our enemies, we are heaping burning coals on their heads. Someone explained to me that this was referring to them (the enemy) being purified.

Pray for Judge Greer, who claims to be a Christian. Nothing can hurt him more than his own conscience.

270 posted on 03/10/2005 6:48:52 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Annie03
I saw the gravity of the brain injury.

Well now that's an interesting statement considering Michael disagreed before he got the money.

I also believe the judge has followed the law as written.

Has he? Where is his clear and convincing evidence that this is what Terri would want? A supposed off hand statement?

271 posted on 03/10/2005 6:49:15 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

It's on one of the three threads that are going about this matter today.


272 posted on 03/10/2005 6:49:34 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: churchillbuff

This is for Dog Gone. I'm your choir. :)


273 posted on 03/10/2005 6:50:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Dog Gone; nicmarlo
I wish when you talk about me, you at least talk TO me. The comment I made that bent you all out of shape is about evil. Now if you can argue that this is not about evil versus good, I would like to hear it, and I would appreciate you answering me directly.
274 posted on 03/10/2005 6:51:20 PM PST by 8mmMauser (www.ChristtheKingMaine.com)
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To: Peach
It's on one of the three threads that are going about this matter today.

Oy! I've only been on this one and the daily thread. There's more? :)

275 posted on 03/10/2005 6:52:56 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: bjs1779
Do you think Terri Shiavo should die by starvation because the courts said so despite no written word of hers exists anywhere on the face of the Earth?

I don't know. As far as I know from the legal record, three witnesses testified that she wouldn't have wanted to have life artificially prolonged. I don't know if there were any rebuttal witnesses or not.

Written evidence is usually better, but oral evidence is good evidence if it passes through the "hearsay" exclusions, which this testimony did.

I honestly don't know whether Terri should die or not. I didn't hear or judge the case. I think she's in worse condition than some here think. Some claim Michael is trying to kill her because otherwise she'll testify against him someday. That is so ignorant or passionate to invite ridicule. She is profoundly brain damaged at the very least.

I'd like to participate in these threads as some sort of a legal advisor without having to be pounded by everybody with an agenda who disagrees with the legal analysis.

Probably too much to ask, I know.

276 posted on 03/10/2005 6:54:08 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: nicmarlo

I hope you realize, I was not referring to you!!! Thanx for the support.


277 posted on 03/10/2005 6:54:17 PM PST by 8mmMauser (www.ChristtheKingMaine.com)
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To: amdgmary



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278 posted on 03/10/2005 6:55:33 PM PST by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: Dog Gone

Some guy who is on Hannity and Colmes right now just offered to pay Michael $1,000,000 to transfer custody of Terri to her parents. For all those who say that Michael is doing this for the money, this is truth time.


279 posted on 03/10/2005 6:56:03 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: 8mmMauser
LOL, I know that was not directed at me because I was pinging to you. : )
280 posted on 03/10/2005 6:56:04 PM PST by nicmarlo
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