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Pilots Group Grades U.S. Aviation Security an 'F'
Yahoo News, Reuters ^ | March 10, 2005 | Deborah Charles

Posted on 03/10/2005 10:59:07 AM PST by faq

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A group of airline pilots gave the U.S. government failing grades on Thursday in several areas of aviation security including the screening of employees and cargo, and defending planes from shoulder-fired missiles.

The Coalition of Airline Pilots Association released its Aviation Security Report Card that showed aviation security gets average to failing grades in over a dozen subject areas.

The trade group gave failing "F" grades to the government in five areas -- screening of employees, screening of cargo, high-tech credentialing of crew members, self-defense training for crew and the plan for countering shoulder-fired missiles.

The group gave good grades to the government on improved bag screening and on reinforcing cockpit doors on commercial airplanes.

Jon Safley, president of CAPA, said filling some of the "gaping holes" in aviation security will require major changes in the way the airlines and airports do business, and in the way the government manages airline security.

"The technology exists, or could be updated, to address many of these security problems," said Safley, whose group represents about 22,000 pilots from American Airlines, United Parcel Service, Southwest Airlines and AirTran Airways.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlines; airlinesecurity; aviation; capa; pilots; security
The title of the article is misleading, of course. The group gave failing grades in five categories and the title makes it sounds like an overall failing grade. The five areas getting failing grades are screening of employees, screening of cargo, high-tech credentialing of crew members, self-defense training for crew and the plan for countering shoulder-fired missiles.
1 posted on 03/10/2005 10:59:09 AM PST by faq
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To: faq
It's a safe bet that any security measures which don't physically impact the passenger, and thus don't contribute to the illusion of safety, will be the last (if ever) to be implemented.
2 posted on 03/10/2005 11:02:38 AM PST by Uncle Fud
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To: faq
The Coalition of Airline Pilots Association to form,,...New Pilot's American Skies Security Services?

/sarcasm....pilots only group?

3 posted on 03/10/2005 11:09:15 AM PST by maestro
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To: faq
The title may be misleading in relation to the article but, as someone trained in how to operate an Access Control Point, airport security does deserve an overall "F".

This is why I do not fly commercial if I can avoid it.

I would tell you why, but for those four red words under "Word Wrap: ON/OFF".
4 posted on 03/10/2005 11:13:06 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: faq

Of all the opinions that are out there on the subject, it's this group that I'd tend to believe the most. It's their butts on the line every day and they have the would not seem to have an axe to grind or anything to gain.


5 posted on 03/10/2005 11:26:01 AM PST by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty time!)
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To: Aeronaut

(((.)))


6 posted on 03/10/2005 11:36:41 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: faq

It's interesting they would give failing grades on the anti missile defense since the ALPA chairman(airline pilots ass., the biggest pilot union) agreed with the study that said the cost of installing anti missile technology on every plane would be prohibitively costly and wouldn't even guarantee success.


7 posted on 03/10/2005 11:36:49 AM PST by Arkie2
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8 posted on 03/10/2005 11:38:20 AM PST by Aeronaut (You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky. -- Amelia Earhart)
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To: faq

The pilots union are stopping this - they stopped guns in the cockpits for awhile as well.

The unions are demanding that staff and employees go un-inspected as they by definition can be "trusted".

As for the credentialing of crew members, they are also not wanting the background checks done on these employees.

As for the missiles, the cost is too much for anyone to bear at this point and not really needed.

Cargo is screened to a degree but can we inspect 100 percent and still have the planes leave on time.


9 posted on 03/10/2005 11:39:03 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: faq
I think Ann Coulter's analyses of airport security in How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must) are hillarious and spot-on. Its all just so much bureaucratic red tape and maddening passenger delays aimed at everything but increasing security!

Ann Coulter - How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)

10 posted on 03/10/2005 11:42:28 AM PST by TChris (Lousy homophobic FReeper troll, religious right, VRWC member)
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To: edcoil
Cargo is screened to a degree but can we inspect 100 percent and still have the planes leave on time[?]

I would wildly assert that if the money currently spent on the hoards of federal airport security lackeys, whose most valued skill is ignoring obviously suspicious appearance and behavior in favor of fondling retired American travelers, were spent on cargo inspection instead, we'd be money ahead and see actual improvement to security.

11 posted on 03/10/2005 11:49:52 AM PST by TChris (Lousy homophobic FReeper troll, religious right, VRWC member)
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To: edcoil

Pilot groups have been in the forefront of getting their members certified to carry weapons in the cockpit. It's TSA and Homeland Security which have put up roadblocks.

Pilots and staff are some of the most inspected people on earth. I was inspected before I ever got an airline job and since 9-11 I've had a security background check by the FBI. My fingerprints are on file at every known security agency on earth, probably including Mossad! Just kidding about Mossad

You'll have to show me where these "pilots unions" are stopping anything. Remember, it's our butts up front.


12 posted on 03/10/2005 11:53:27 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2

Pilot groups have been in the forefront of getting their members certified to carry weapons in the cockpit. It's TSA and Homeland Security which have put up roadblocks.

I have to disagree, Pilot groups have supported stun guns (I will support your comment on that) but not real guns.

The government only dedicates rules so the tsa is partly responsible it is the unions and airlines and costs - the people will not accept double ticket prices and worse service doing what the unions want.


13 posted on 03/10/2005 12:38:16 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Uncle Fud
Unfortunately you are correct. Technology currently is in the "breadboard" stage or maybe a little beyond that is similar to the that displayed in the movie "Total Recall". The ACLU has already raised objections because it invades privacy. However, that pales next to getting groped by a TSA employee.
14 posted on 03/10/2005 12:49:37 PM PST by NY Attitude
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