Posted on 03/10/2005 3:36:52 AM PST by RobFromGa
Well at least there are still a few actual conservatives out there. I may disagree with you on some other aspects of your article Ms. Noonan but you hit the nail on the head right there. It's no longer conservatism at work, it's nationalism
"I hope we never have to find out. My point in joining this discussion is that I'm curious as to why Bush -- and some of the freepers who join him in calling for the US to "spread freedom" or "spread democracy" -- mainly talk about lack of freedom in the Middle East. They don't talk about lack of freedom in China - - even though that's the country with the largest number of oppressed people on the planet; and it also happens to be a country that has some military leaders who've threatened to nuke us - - according to the Washington Times story I posted."
Your posts are always good! :-)
I'm hoping that this idea of freedom, that started with our own revolution, will have a domino effect the middle east extending to asia. We can only hope and pray that it does. I can't see us losing American lives to spread freedom to areas where the people do not wish to be free.
It's really too early to tell, unless the chinese wish to test our resolve.
"Which part of a war on terror and jihadists don't you understand? "
Are you talking to me?
I can't, and if they are not threatening our national security I don't give a shit.
What the mental midgets on this thread fail to realise that just because the battle is not joined, does not mean that liberty's cause is not being furthered. China would be a difficult country to invade and dominate. What we can do is continue to pry open that particular oyster with our technology and ideas, until such time as the Communist Party seems an embarassing anachronism. This process is underway - the regime doesn't stand a chance against the up and coming Chinese bloggers.
Regards, Ivan
Peggy should learn from lawyers, while Bush's goals may be lofty you have to raise the bar high, it's the same reason a lawyer sues for $5 million but happily accepts $2.5 million. Keep digging Peg ...
neither do i
Exactly so, Ivan.
I don't know which part of the war on terror against jihadists don't understand.
This freeper doesn't even think Iraq is part of the war on terror and now we're supposed to believe he wants us to invade China. I can barely type for the laughing.
An old craftsman saying should suffice - the right tool for the right job. The right tool in Iraq was turning Saddam's regime to ashes. The right tool in Iran is tapping into the discontent of the country's youth to overturn the Islamist regime. The right tool in Zimbabwe is a single, well aimed laser guided bomb to take out Mugabe. And so on...there is no need, nor is it desireable to use the troops in every instance - in fact, that's the last resort. But the agenda of liberty can and should be advanced by the right policies for each situation.
Best Regards, Ivan
Beautifully put. And if any freeper thinks that the president's talk of freedom hasn't resonated with the young people of China and other places, they are seriously misguided.
Of course, the freeper in question knows that. He just posts things continuously to try and make the administration look bad. It's been his MO as long as he's been here.
What I hadn't realized what the moderators willingness to let yet another thread be hijacked of a conversation that is completely inappropriate to this article and thread.
"What the mental midgets on this thread fail to realise that just because the battle is not joined, does not mean that liberty's cause is not being furthered. China would be a difficult country to invade and dominate. What we can do is continue to pry open that particular oyster with our technology and ideas, until such time as the Communist Party seems an embarassing anachronism. This process is underway - the regime doesn't stand a chance against the up and coming Chinese bloggers.
Regards, Ivan"
I agree with this.
I wonder if Peggy's read the discussion she inspired.
"Peggy if you're out there, how about giving us a "ping?"
THe threat is not just from Osama, but from the states who harboured and helped him - e.g., Afghanistan.
Afghanistan isn't even a country, its a bunch of tribes. They go to the highest bidder. You probably think everything is hunky-dunky in Afghanistan.
Furthermore threats come from despotic states which use terrorist groups to further their aims - e.g., Iran and Syria's support for Hezbollah.
Interesting. Threats to whom?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
I probably am almost as moved by high sounding rhetoric as you, but a portion of our population was regarded as 0-3/5 human. So, where does that put these rag-head head choppers, 1/5 of less? Get real.
It's not remaking cultures in our image - it is giving the individual the opportunity to decide their own destiny
Sorta like Algeria?
Any Americans want to take me on. Get lost Brit.
My bad. I do think the mods are sometimes too assertive with their knives, but I defer to your assessment on this one.
Conservatives will rise again! ;o)
China is being encouraged to open up, and President Bush has made numerous statements to that effect. Patience, grasshoppers...
On the contrary, you're wasting my time with your mindless pablum.
Afghanistan isn't even a country, its a bunch of tribes. They go to the highest bidder. You probably think everything is hunky-dunky in Afghanistan.
Now you're lying - while Afghanistan has a good number of tribes and warlords, the Taliban constituted the overall authority in the country. It was the central government. Furthermore, you conveniently left out how Iran and Syria, far more centralised states, also sponsor terrorism. I realise it's inconvenient for you to realise such things, but selective blindness is not a sufficient riposte.
And no, I do not believe everything is wonderful in Afghanistan. But if you think they were better off under the Taliban, you need your head examined.
Interesting. Threats to whom?
Perhaps you ought to read this, regarding Hezbollah -
Hezbollah Vows Anew to Target Americans
And again, they have sponsors in Syria and Iran. Any questions?
I probably am almost as moved by high sounding rhetoric as you, but a portion of our population was regarded as 0-3/5 human. So, where does that put these rag-head head choppers, 1/5 of less? Get real.
The men who wrote those words were of differing opinions on slavery - but what is certainly true is that the tension between the ideas they expressed in the Declaration and the institution of slavery was not sustainable and eventually it was corrected. Similarly, the tension between the fundamental truths as expressed in the Declaration and the despotisms of the world needs to be corrected - lest the energy that the tension creates explodes in directions we dislike, e.g. Islamic terrorism.
Sorta like Algeria?
Sophistry. Algeria is a failed state...but that was partially how the French left it.
Any Americans want to take me on. Get lost Brit.
The "limey go home" tactic is indicative of nothing but an exhausted mind. You're frankly a loser in more ways than one.
Ivan
That is disgusting. You should wash your mouth out with soap.
I'm sure she'll read it at some point.
Lovely language. Cut it out.
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