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To: DannyTN

"Genesis and the four of the first five books of the Bible are generally believed to have been written by Moses."

Weeellll, ec-tually, that ain't 'zactly true. See "Asimov's Guide to the Bible."

"The "presumption" therefore is that Genesis and the history of the earth which predated Moses, is part of those historical facts."

As I tried to argue in the note to which you reply, God gives us explanations we can deal with. I very much doubt that people in Moses' time could deal with light years or units of a billion years.

"That Moses was raised a prince in Pharoah's court also lends credence to the fact that Moses would have been literate and able to write."

Which doesn't mean that he was in any way equipped to deal with some of the things we now know that God did. Moses had no idea, for instance, just how big the universe is. He didn't even know what the stars are.

"As far as the overwhelming evidence, it really boils down to two evidences."

No, there's a lot more than that. For instance, there is the matter of second- and third-generation stars. There is the matter of the sheer numbers of layers of fossil rock. For all of those to have occurred in 6,000 years would shrink the era of the dinosaurs down to, I don't know, a day or two, probably.

"Speed of Light. We haven't figured out how light can travel the distances, it would have to travel to reach us, unless the universe is very old. But the fact that we can't figure it out, doesn't mean that it couldn't happen in the timeframe specified in the Bible."

I don't think you've studied Descartes' treatment of the notion that God is an evil deceiver.

Every attempt to explain away the geological evidence and fossil record boils down to an argument that God is an evil deceiver. Since God is not an evil deceiver, those arguments cannot be valid.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinquishable from magic." - Authur C. Clark

"Any technology indistinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced." - Gregory Benford


153 posted on 04/18/2005 6:01:52 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Asimov? As in the science fiction writer? That's your source? HaHaHaHaHaHa

"For instance, there is the matter of second- and third-generation stars. There is the matter of the sheer numbers of layers of fossil rock. For all of those to have occurred in 6,000 years would shrink the era of the dinosaurs down to, I don't know, a day or two, probably. "

There was a thread last week where a star regenerated 100 times faster than scientists had thought possible. Mt. St. Helens laid down 25 feet of layered rock in just a few hours.

Mt St Helens

"I don't think you've studied Descartes' treatment of the notion that God is an evil deceiver."

I'm familiar with it. It goes like this. If God didn't make it impossible for man in his arrogance and in his limited knowledge to misinterpret his observations and conclude that God is wrong, then God must be evil. I think it's bullshit. God is under no obligation to save man from his arrogance. God told us the truth, if man want's to imagine the evidence says something else and that God is evil, that's man's problem, not God's.

God warns us in 2 Peter 3 that in the last days men will assume that everything continued as it has from the beginning and because of that assumption will forget the flood and the creation. And that's exactly what evolution and long age mentality has done.

160 posted on 04/18/2005 10:24:35 PM PDT by DannyTN
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