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Berlusconi: US OK'D HOSTAGE DEAL
Fox News, via AP ^ | 03-09-05 | Unknown

Posted on 03/09/2005 9:52:06 AM PST by MamaLucci

The Italian intelligence agent killed by American forces in Iraq had U.S. military authorization for his operation to win the release of a hostage, Premier Silvio Berlusconi (search) said Wednesday.

In his first major address since Friday's shooting strained relations between Washington (search) and one of its biggest allies, Berlusconi told Italy's Senate that the car carrying agent Nicola Calipari and newly freed hostage Giuliana Sgrena (search) stopped immediately when a light was flashed.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commie; hell; journalist; ransom; sgrena; war
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More info on shooting.
1 posted on 03/09/2005 9:52:07 AM PST by MamaLucci
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To: MamaLucci

OK, this makes like 15 stories, each conflicting with one another.


2 posted on 03/09/2005 9:53:29 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: MamaLucci
Berlusconi told Italy's Senate that the car carrying agent Nicola Calipari and newly freed hostage Giuliana Sgrena stopped immediately when a light was flashed.
Was that before or after the 300 bullets?
3 posted on 03/09/2005 9:55:03 AM PST by bikepacker67 ("Donovan McNabb... I can't HEAR YOU" < / Who's your Mommy>)
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To: bahblahbah

My mother always told me, to be a good lier, you have to have a good memory.
The Italians have more stories on this shooting than Zarqawi(sp) has captures!


4 posted on 03/09/2005 9:56:19 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (My quaker parrot can talk, can Your honor student fly?)
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To: MamaLucci
OK, so the US knew about this payment and approved it...and had the car stop, which it did...and then they killed the agent but not the hostage...so the hostage would be alive to tell everyone about this cold-blooded murder by the Americans...

SAY WHAT?!

5 posted on 03/09/2005 9:57:22 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ( writing stream of consciousness posts like a post-modern prometheus)
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To: MamaLucci
Austin Bay has an article on this subject on his blog.
6 posted on 03/09/2005 9:58:19 AM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: bikepacker67

After the bullets, of course!

Where is the videotape when you need it! You would think a camera would be mounted pointing down the road video taping all activity. A checkpoint, IMHO, should have this. Perhaps there is a recording and it will come out after the investigation is completed.


7 posted on 03/09/2005 9:59:43 AM PST by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: bikepacker67

But but but, the lovely liar, er lady, said there were NO flashing lights.


8 posted on 03/09/2005 10:03:18 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: George Smiley
Even the lefties can't sustain an argument that U.S. troops targeted that reporter. It makes absolutely no sense. One of the columnists here in Miami who usually is against everything the Bush administration does said this on the blog today:

"Let me say for the record that this time, I agree with the Bush administration. The notion that American soldiers deliberately targeted and shot at a car containing Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena and a senior member of the intelligence services of one of the few allies with troops on the groud in Iraq (Reuters has a good, balanced account of the incident) is, to quote admistration hack Scott McClellan, 'absurd.'"

And they put in this quote from Reuters, which is as good an account as I have heard so far:

Fini on Tuesday gave a long account of Calipari's fatal mission to Baghdad but made no mention of any ransom [don't believe that part for a minute!]. He said Rome had never considered a military swoop to free Sgrena for fear such an operation would endanger her life. He said Calipari arrived in Baghdad on Friday afternoon after establishing contact with the kidnappers. He checked in with U.S. authorities at the airport before driving off with an Italian colleague to meet an Iraqi middleman.

The middleman took them to Sgrena, who was seated in the wreckage of a car, dressed in black robes and wearing a mask.

On the drive back to the airport, the Italians left the lights on in the car to help identify them to U.S. checkpoints.

As they neared the airport, the car slowed to about 40-km/h because the road was wet and because the driver had to make a sharp turning. Half way around the curve, a searchlight picked out the car and guns opened fire for 10-15 seconds, Fini said. The intelligence officer who survived the attack was forced to kneel in the road until the soldiers realised who he was.

"Two young Americans approached our officer and, demoralised, repeatedly apologised for what had happened," Fini said.

Sounds real deliberate, huh? Maybe next they'll blame that garbage truck suicide bombing today on U.S. troops for putting out the trash! Sheesh...
9 posted on 03/09/2005 10:06:06 AM PST by GOPic
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To: OldFriend

I think our ally Silvio is also making some double talk

the US likely knew that this guy, the agent/special ops guy whatever was in country trying to secure the release of this woman

doesn't mean the US knew of nor approved of any ransom scheme and common sense would tell you they would have not approved and tried to talk the Italians out of it because ransom money to insurgents means more trouble for Iraqis and Americans....

and it seems quite clear that the Italians in any event did not notify the US military that they had rescued this woman or picked up her up, however one wishes to view it, and would be taking her to the airport in the middle of night along the most dangerous road in Iraq

it seems rather clear to me that Ms Guilly baby wanted to avoid being debriefed nor did she want the Americans to be her means of transport to the airport, why yes she wouldn't in anyway want the Americans to appear as heros in her return, even in a supporting role (as even an Italian newspaper asked, why wasn't she taken to the Italian Embassy first and then on to the airport)

nice backtracking on her part too


10 posted on 03/09/2005 10:10:04 AM PST by llama hunter
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To: MamaLucci

Sounds like Berlusconi is taking Sgrena's side on this. Italy can become the next France. We should know better than to trust Europeans anyway.

We can do without their measly 3000 troops. And we can do without their funding terrorists with the millions they paid in ransom for this commie witch.


11 posted on 03/09/2005 10:10:44 AM PST by MisterRepublican (I DEMAND THAT FOX NEWS REHIRE JENNIFER ECCLESTON!)
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To: llama hunter

This is no more interesting than Rather's departure...at least in my opinion.


12 posted on 03/09/2005 10:13:14 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: llama hunter

Notice how the charge of being sexually abused by US soldiers she made has been forgotten about quickly. That one sounded too much like, "then they groped me, yeah, that's the ticket."


13 posted on 03/09/2005 10:16:45 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: MamaLucci

Berlusconi ain't a friend, either.

Time for another Italian leader to hang by their heels?

At least Mussolini made the trains run on time......


14 posted on 03/09/2005 10:18:09 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: MamaLucci
The Italian intelligence agent killed by American forces in Iraq had U.S. military authorization for his operation to win the release of a hostage, Premier Silvio Berlusconi (search) said Wednesday.

But they did NOT have the authority to drive through the checkpoint without stopping.

In his first major address since Friday's shooting strained relations between Washington (search) and one of its biggest allies, Berlusconi told Italy's Senate that the car carrying agent Nicola Calipari and newly freed hostage Giuliana Sgrena (search) stopped immediately when a light was flashed.

Oh geez...I wish they'd make up thier minds already. First there was no flash or any warning, now there was a flash. First they were going 40 mph, then 25 mph, now they were stopped. Good grief...

15 posted on 03/09/2005 10:19:08 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: MamaLucci
I have a gut feeling (no, it's not gas) that there is still something very important missing from this entire episode. There is information out there that will make the whole ordeal gel, but we haven't heard it yet. I find it highly unusual that Berlusconi is saying some of the things he has said, and it makes me wonder if he knows something important that hasn't been released to the press. Of course, by that logic, it could be something damning to our side. Maybe he's just being cookoo for Cocoa Puffs. He is Italian after all.
16 posted on 03/09/2005 10:21:16 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: MamaLucci

Not passing the smell test. Methinks the Italians know we're not interested in a pissing match at this point, so it's a heckuva lot easier for them to throw us under the bus and not have to deal with the possibility of their intelligence agency crapping the bed at the cost of one of their own...


17 posted on 03/09/2005 10:24:48 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: OldFriend

Whats the frequency, Sgrena?


18 posted on 03/09/2005 10:32:05 AM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: llama hunter

"why wasn't she taken to the Italian Embassy first and then on to the airport"

Good question. Also, was there a scheduled flight that she could have taken that night? I'm guessing that there are no commercial flights into or out of Baghdad during the hours of darkness.


19 posted on 03/09/2005 10:33:34 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: MamaLucci
Berlusconi told Italy's Senate that the car carrying agent Nicola Calipari and newly freed hostage Giuliana Sgrena (search) stopped immediately when a light was flashed.

But Sgrena has already flat out stated that there were no flashing lights, just bullets. Once again, the story changes.

20 posted on 03/09/2005 10:35:12 AM PST by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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