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Personal Accounts Tank in Polls, GOP Says (social security reform)
Yahoo News/AP ^ | March 8, 2005 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 03/08/2005 8:39:25 PM PST by FairOpinion

WASHINGTON - The heart of President Bush (news - web sites)'s plan for Social Security (news - web sites), allowing younger workers to create personal accounts in exchange for a lower guaranteed government benefit, is among the least popular elements with the public, Republican pollsters told House GOP leaders Tuesday.

The pollsters also stressed the political stakes involved in pursuing Bush's plan to overhaul the Depression-era program, according to a memo circulated at a session in the Capitol.

Older voters consider a candidate's views on Social Security to be "as important, or in some cases, more important than issues like the war, health care and education," they wrote.

Reporting on the results of 14 focus groups held last month in scattered locations, the memo said Bush has been successful in raising awareness of Social Security's financial situation. It also credited the administration with having done a "very good job" of emphasizing that current and near retirees would not be affected by his plan.

At the same time, the public "knows little or nothing about the details and specifics" of Bush's proposal for individual accounts, "and a good bit of what they think they know is incorrect," it said.

The focus groups, as well as earlier nationwide polling, were paid for by the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the memo.

Unlike a poll that may survey hundreds of people, a focus group involves a moderator leading a discussion. The participants are chosen for different characteristics such as age, gender and voting behavior.

According to the memo, Americans of all age groups "were most resistant to proposals that involved cutting or reducing benefits or raising Social Security payroll taxes.

"When forced to choose a course of action, a majority ... chose raising the age of early retirement, and there was also support for further reducing starting benefits for early retirement."

Despite the general resistance to higher taxes, there is very strong support for exposing higher levels of income to the existing levy, the pollsters wrote.

Asked what they liked least, 31 percent of the participants in the sessions mentioned that the government would be responsible for keeping track of the accounts. Another 24 percent "least liked the fact that workers would be required to accept a lower traditional benefit in return for participation," a key element of Bush's plan.

The findings surfaced on the eve of a House Ways and Means Committee hearing into Social Security's finances and as the administration pushes ahead with an aggressive campaign to raise public support for changes.

At the same time, some Republicans have begun to step forward with variations on Bush's theme, in hopes of beginning a process that can coax Democrats into negotiations.

Congressional Democrats have so far maintained nearly unanimous opposition to the president's plan, accusing Bush of seeking to privatize the program and pay for it by cutting benefits.

The president asked Congress in his State of the Union address to overhaul the program, saying he wanted a bill that both made it permanently solvent and included personal accounts.

Under the president's approach, Social Security would remain unchanged for retirees and workers age 55 and over.

Younger workers would have the option of investing a portion of their payroll taxes on their own and would receive a lower guaranteed government benefit when they retire. Supporters of the plan argue that earnings on the investments would make up the difference.

Republican officials briefed by White House aides have said even younger Americans who decide not to establish a private account would receive a lower government guaranteed benefit.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: personalaccounts; privateaccounts; privateeaccounts; reform; socialsecurity
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To: kabar
How will Congress replace the lost revenue? Borrowing more money through Treasury Bonds. The additional borrowing will increase the national debt, which means that we will have to pay more to service the debt annually.

Also, as interest rates rise, we will have to pay more as we create new debt and rollover old debt. It could get quite expensive since interest rates are at quite a low spot right now.

101 posted on 03/09/2005 6:48:32 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: FreedomNeocon
You'd think after they "accidentally" couldn't get the election right 3hrs before the final count, that people even pay attention anymore.

Yes, pollsters certainly appear to be third-rate hucksters; there are now enough of them out there predicting the presidential campaigns that at least one usually can come close enough to crow victory, but I cannot imagine why anyone pays any attention to them since most are naturally anywhere from off to way off. And I certainly cannot see why anyone would pay for such shoddy work.

102 posted on 03/09/2005 6:52:55 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander

Exactly. The impact on our economy will be devastating should inflation and increased interest rates kick in.


105 posted on 03/09/2005 8:00:22 AM PST by kabar
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To: snowsislander; kabar

If kabar is right that already 17 cents on every dollar is spent on interest, then its even more painful then I thought. Interest rates only have one place to go.. up. And especially if we don't look like a great investment to the Asian creditors, they are going to want a higher rate of return.

I can see if the nation was in real jeopardy of being destroyed by a hostile power.. borrowing from foreigners as a last ditch effort. But to finance an entitlement program seems suicidal.


107 posted on 03/09/2005 11:48:20 AM PST by ran15
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To: ran15

http://www.businessforum.com/debt01.html


108 posted on 03/09/2005 12:21:08 PM PST by kabar
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To: azcap

"...and rip a 15 foot tapeworm out of her gut."

I like my analogy better. A tapeworm doesn't need to be replaced with anything after you rip it out.


109 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:16 PM PST by Sun Soldier
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To: Torie
Do you or do you not believe that the money now removed from one's earnings via FICA belongs to that person?
If so then who are you to tell that person how their money should be invested? The entire point of all this is to gradually, (over several years or longer), allow citizens to completely divest oneself from the FICA scheme and plot their own course.
110 posted on 03/09/2005 6:30:21 PM PST by jla
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To: Torie
Thus Bush cannot really make the case, and will not make the case.

Bookmarking to later serve back to you, along with your foot and a serving of crow.

111 posted on 03/09/2005 6:31:45 PM PST by jla
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To: jla
and plot their own course.

With the government of course there to pick up the pieces if necessary. This society will not tolerate old folks having to hold up signs, "Will work for food."

112 posted on 03/09/2005 6:34:37 PM PST by Torie
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To: jla

Fair enough. Get back to me one way or the other, OK?


113 posted on 03/09/2005 6:35:22 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
With the government of course there to pick up the pieces if necessary.

I see the glass is always half empty in your mind. I have a little more confidence in the positive repercussions of freedom. And this, make no mistake about it, is about economic freedom.

114 posted on 03/09/2005 6:39:52 PM PST by jla
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To: winner3000
So much for the greatest generation. Even though they won't be affected, the old geezers will still prevent reform to the system until it is totally bankrupt for us younger folks.

Of course, what do they care? They suckered us into subsidizing their hypochondriac lifestyles, so they got what they want.

115 posted on 03/09/2005 6:49:58 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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