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To: D Edmund Joaquin; All

I am a Christian by the way but I find myself not as invested in the whole creationism/Darwin controversey. Its the problem of no one really "being there". None of us was really "there" at the beginning, so we can only posit what happened from fossils and erosive wear factors as well as argon/ radon (?) testing.(I know carbon testing is good at most for about 10k years but I forgot the name of the other testing they do). Yet, I believe God created it all, at whatever time he did it!

Both Creationists and Evolutionists have good points and arguements for their own positions and against those of the other. And no one on either side wants to listen to the other.

Meanwhile, the anti-religious who are not all well versed in Evolutionary science, have tried to couple the science with political and social movements designed to undermine classical western culture by casting aspersions against its Judeo Christian underpinnings.

Most evolutionary scientists just want to study life and the processess that created it. The politically lawless of character want to bring back the notion of Lex Talionis(law of the jungle...rule of tooth and claw) using Evolution as the driving wedge between man and the notion of the Divine.

I think a truce could be drawn between religious folk and science folk if both groups would stop to examine just who the folks are that really driving the conflicts between science and faith. It ain't necessarily true scientists that are raising the havoc against religion! It might just be that smug anti religious editor at your local newspaper or the muck raking ACLU types!


514 posted on 03/10/2005 11:07:18 AM PST by mdmathis6 (By playing the Devil's advocate, one can often separate self from the Devil!)
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To: mdmathis6
The politically lawless of character want to bring back the notion of Lex Talionis(law of the jungle...rule of tooth and claw) using Evolution as the driving wedge between man and the notion of the Divine

Do you remember growing up? I'm sure, like me, you lived next door to all kinds of people and played with their kids. We may have noted which church they went to, or if they never went, but it was live and let live.

However, now, and in no small part, due to God's sworn enemies, which include atheists and Communists, that harmony is no longer possible.

The idea as to change the nation by indoctrinating the children, but that hasn't worked. So it starts, first a little here, then a little there. Then some "scientist" starts calling for more drastic measures. If you think Dennett is scary, check out Peter Singer.

Now is the time: the two witnesses are standing up

515 posted on 03/10/2005 11:22:25 AM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Mayor of Jesusland)
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To: mdmathis6

The political solution is being stopped by the leftists. There campaign to eliminate God in the schools is making the fundamentalists shoot the wrong target.

We need to eliminate the nonsense the left has saddled us with as far as "separation clause" nonsense is concerned. There is no separation clause.

If we allowed people to pray in school led by whatever teacher wanted to, it would harm no one. It would not be against the Constitution the way it was intended, either.

"Then the fundamentalists would see that it is not biology that keeps God out of schools, but leftists. This would reduce the problem, but not eliminate it. The creation scam artists have radicalized the right wing to such an extent that their apostasy is widely accepted as THE interpretation of Scripture, now. The combination of bad teaching by the NEA in public schools and ignorance on the right, plus antagonism to God on the left has resulted in a dangerous mix of ignorance that may be hard to defeat."

posted earlier on another thread by shubi


517 posted on 03/10/2005 11:36:31 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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