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To: secretagent
The practice of slavery was an exception to the principles of liberty in the Constitution.
Assisting escaping slaves did not violate those principles, it violated the exceptional 'property rights' of slave owners.

>>> Are there principles superior to the "principles of the Constitution"?

There should be no conflict between the "principles of the Constitution" and any that you might personally believe "superior".
If you see such a conflict, perhaps you should re-examine your concepts about both.
I've heard that military Chaplin's are very good at explaining how duty to our country & Constitution can be reconciled with an individuals personal beliefs.
129 posted on 03/16/2005 5:18:27 AM PST by P_A_I
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To: P_A_I
There should be no conflict between the "principles of the Constitution" and any that you might personally believe "superior".

Initially I see an immediate problem addressing this idea of yours. First off, there are no specifically set out "principles of the constitution." Furthermore, those that have been proposed have no popular acceptance. Even those who dedicate themselves full time to the subject can't agree on principles. The founding fathers couldn't. All of them, in one way or another compromised some of their own positions and finally agreed only to the Constitution. Many quite reluctantly at that.

Now I have known radical anarchist Libertarians who support the Constitution while working for its elimination. And I have known libertarian minarchists who believe in government as an ends, who do not support the Constitution. And all that addresses only libertarians, a small fraction of that part of society concerned with such matters.

As far as conflict between the articles of the Constitution and ones personal beliefs go, I and most all libertarians have lots of them. But most of us believe the best way to resolve those conflicting differences, at this time, is by constitutionally allowable means.

More than once on this thread I see you have posted the words:

We are all obligated to support our Constitution as the "Law of the Land" as per Article VI.

Article VI sets out who is "obligated to support" the Constitution, the people are specifically not included. Thus you are quite wrong regarding Article VI. Go re-read it.

As a Libertarian supporter of the Constitution, I look forward to all the changes and amendments that we will ultimately bring to the Constitution. But those are all for the future, when the people are ready for it. When they are demanding it.

As for now, in my life time, I am very leery of any changes being instituted. I just look forward to seeing our republic remain strong and at least as free as it is now. I also in the immediate sense, look forward to a doubling or possibly tripling of the population of those who understand what libertarianism is and how it would work.

130 posted on 03/16/2005 8:50:51 AM PST by jackbob
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To: P_A_I
The practice of slavery was an exception to the principles of liberty in the Constitution.

Were there Constitutional principles of liberty at odds with other "principles of the Constitution", the latter yielding " 'exceptional' property rights " of slave owners?

135 posted on 03/16/2005 7:18:26 PM PST by secretagent
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