[Jeff Head]

Basically US stuff (althought the ROC also has some French and indiginous stuff) against Russian and indiginous PRC stuff.

In the past when it came to pitting Russian stuff against US stuff in Israel, in Iraq, and elsewhere...US stuff cleaned clock.

I believe the Chinese are premature in pushing things hard now...and that's fine...unless they have some ace up their sleave that they plan to spring on us (ie. a truly operational and effective supercavitating weapon or some other technological or asymetrical surprise we are not prepared for).

[Ecthelion]

Exactly. They have diesel electric subs now. Woofreakinhoo. Waste of a torpedo from one of our attack subs. Let's put it this way: the Russians never became as good as us at Naval technology or tactics, and yet people expect the Chinese to suddenly become demigods because they now have aging Russian equipment? Bah.