[judicial meanz]

Personally I think this is the reason for the sudden friendship and military alliance between Russia and China. It reeks of a pragmatic mutual alliance bent on reducing American influence in the world through military, economic, economic, and political alliances.

When you add Russia and China's shipbuilding capacity together against ours, we are in a world of serious hurt. They have not really reduced anything from Cold War levels of production. They simply build more commerical shipping to fill the gaps that they have in warship construction.

You guys are right on target. We are in for rough days ahead, especially if our Senate and House dont get on the same page and start filling the gaps before it becomes too late.

[GOP_1900AD]

Good point there, regarding Sino-Russian coordination. The likes of which has not been seen since the early 1950s.

[Jeff Head]

Seeing the Chinese produce two and three units a year on EIGHT new major combatant classes is sobering. If they keep that production rate up, or increase it, we are going to see first a lot of their vessels, then a lot of their ordinance in the very near future.

Now, until they can crack our hard nut, the CBG protected by AEGIS and SSN's, they arer still going to suck hind tit and end up on the bottom. But, if they come up with say a combination of Sunburn/Moskit supersonic SSMs in numbers and a credible super-cavitating submersable threat, we could be into some serious hurt.

Thanks for weighing in.