Well, i gotta weigh in here. Social Security IS NOT welfare. The definition of "welfare" is charity from the haves to the have nots. Everyone who works pays into social security, so it aint like we're trying to milk the govenment out of money that someone else put in. Means testing SS would change it to "welfare" in the classic definition of the term.
Like Big Grey Tabby, i'm one of the ants. And i'll be d*#mned if i'm got sit quietly and let it happen without a real sh&#ty fight.
NOT EVERYONE PAID THE SAME RATE.
I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING MY FICA RAISED TO BUY VOTES OF GREEDY GEEZERS WHO MAY HAVE PAID " FOR MANY YEARS" BUT WHOSE TOTAL PAYMENTS WERE LESS THAN I PAID IN 10.
Then we just disagree on the definitions. I consider any forcible transfer payment to be welfare, regardless of the relative wealth of the victim and the recipient. Further I consider it more morally objectionable when the recipient is wealthier than the payer.
Everyone who works pays into social security, so it aint like we're trying to milk the govenment out of money that someone else put in.
You've paid a lot of payroll taxes, true. You've also paid a lot of income taxes, but would you argue that you're entitled to receive them back as well? It's not a retirement plan, it's just a tax.
Like Big Grey Tabby, i'm one of the ants.
As am I. But the injustice done to me in the form of taking 12% of my income and handing it to largely wealthy retirees doesn't justify me inflicting a similar injustice on future generations.