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Man Facing 26 Years for Lying Wins Hearing
Reuters ^ | 3-7-2005

Posted on 03/07/2005 8:12:52 AM PST by Cagey

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A California man sent to prison for 26 years for lying on a driver's license application won a new hearing on Friday in a case that revived debate over the state's "three strikes" law, which imposes lengthy terms on repeat offenders.

Santos Reyes was convicted of perjury for filling out a driver's license under a cousin's name in 1997. Convicted of burglary in 1981 and armed robbery in 1987, he was sentenced to 26-years-to-life. Reyes appealed, arguing such a sentence constituted cruel and unusual punishment.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals based in San Francisco ordered the case returned to a lower court to review Reyes's previous crimes.

"But for Reyes' armed robbery conviction, Reyes would appear to have a plausible case for relief," Judge Harry Pregerson wrote. "Unfortunately, the circumstances under which Reyes committed the robbery are not sufficiently developed in the record for us to determine whether the offense was a 'crime against a person' or involved violence."

The case is the latest in a heated debate over California's "three strikes" law, which imposes prison terms of 25 years to life on those convicted of a third felony. Opponents of the law say large sentences for minor crimes unfairly target small-time criminals and overburden the prison system.

California's prison population has grown fourfold over the past 25 years amid stiffer sentencing. Yet voters in November rejected a proposal to soften the three-strikes law.

In its decision, the court cited a 2004 ruling that found a Californian sentenced to at least 25 years in prison after stealing a $199 video recorder was unfairly punished.

One of the three judges hearing the Reyes case dissented, saying the sentence was justified and further consideration of the case was not necessary.

"Reyes does not present an 'extraordinary' rare case; he is a career criminal," Richard Tallman wrote. "Between 1981 and 1997, he committed six crimes and spent almost seven years behind bars, five of which were passed in state prison."

"His criminal history reflects the very type and degree of recidivism the Supreme Court recognizes Three Strikes laws were properly intended to address."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: clinton; sentencing; threestrikes
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To: LexBaird

The statute violates the double-jeopardy rule. If he served his time for the previous convictions, then he paid the price.

26 years for lying is excessive by any rational standard - it's positively medieval.

A three-strikes rule is a cop-out. If justice is the goal, then the penalties for committing crimes need to be proportionate and appropriate. It's the lack of appropriate sentencing which led to the three-strikes rule; some restoration of real penalties, especially for violent crimes, is the solution. It's not this poor schmuck's fault that the California legislature hasn't the guts to do its job.


21 posted on 03/07/2005 9:07:00 AM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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To: odoso

Poor lying bastard.

Perhaps someone should point out to the idiot that had he not robbed someone and committed another crime he would be free to victimise someone right now.

The only difference this ruling will make is to the NEXT victim this worthless fleme of society decides to target when he is returned to the streets.


22 posted on 03/07/2005 9:07:01 AM PST by Area51 (Illegal Immigration: 20 Million Mexicans can't be wrong.)
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To: Mr. K

Not me, I prefer my plan. It's called the 44 club.

You mess up twice the second time you become a member of the 44 club.

44 Magnum behind the ear. Ends large prison costs, ends long court procedures, ends high medical treament of imprisioned persons...

3 strikes are for wimps. Terminate them with extreme prejudice.


23 posted on 03/07/2005 9:10:03 AM PST by Area51 (Illegal Immigration: 20 Million Mexicans can't be wrong.)
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To: odoso

You can lie before a grand jury and nothing is supposed to happen to you.


24 posted on 03/07/2005 9:10:56 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: jdege
I don't get why he was playing games with the license, but I don't think you get 26 years for this sort of stuff.

It's just all out of proportion.

25 posted on 03/07/2005 9:12:34 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Area51
Not me, I prefer my plan. It's called the 44 club. You mess up twice the second time you become a member of the 44 club. 44 Magnum behind the ear. Ends large prison costs, ends long court procedures, ends high medical treament of imprisioned persons... 3 strikes are for wimps. Terminate them with extreme prejudice.

Puss puss.

My .40 Cal Club is even a better idea. If you are even ACCUSED of ANY crime, you are given an execution, on the spot, with a .40 caliber round through the temple.

Damned speeders anyways. IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME!

26 posted on 03/07/2005 9:15:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Cagey
One of the three judges hearing the Reyes case dissented, saying the sentence was justified...."Reyes does not present an 'extraordinary' rare case; he is a career criminal," Richard Tallman wrote. "Between 1981 and 1997, he committed six crimes and spent almost seven years behind bars, five of which were passed in state prison."

"His criminal history reflects the very type and degree of recidivism the Supreme Court recognizes Three Strikes laws were properly intended to address."

The 9th Short-Circuit does it again. Coddle and pander to criminals.

27 posted on 03/07/2005 9:17:56 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: Mr. K

Your multiplier idea has merit, IMO. Touche.


28 posted on 03/07/2005 9:22:27 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: thoughtomator

"The statute violates the double-jeopardy rule. If he served his time for the previous convictions, then he paid the price."

Not so. The sentence for the first (and second) conviction also carries with it the condition that these convictions are "strikes" under the law. There are no surprizes here. As has already been stated, the strike is not for lying but for continuing to live a felonious lifestyle. When they tell one more strike and you're gone, you'd better damn well believe it.
BTW, double jeopardy is being tried again for a crime you were once aquitted of. If you are convicted, you are subject to whatever penalties the law allows.


29 posted on 03/07/2005 9:42:43 AM PST by beelzepug (Parking For Witches Only--All Others Will Be Toad.)
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To: beelzepug
I think double jeopardy also includes being sentenced twice for the same crime. One thing to note is that no three-strikes rule existed at the time of his previous convictions, which violates yet another Constitutional provision, the prohibition on ex post facto laws. So we have here a situation where he was tried, convicted, served his time, and many years later additional penalties were added.
30 posted on 03/07/2005 9:53:01 AM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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To: thoughtomator
The statute violates the double-jeopardy rule. If he served his time for the previous convictions, then he paid the price.

Nonsense. There is nothing in the double jeopardy concept that excludes considering past criminal behavior when trying a person for present crimes. It is only the willing blindness of the sort that sees "penumbras" that even considers such as being double jeopardy.

I believe that juries should get to see the whole rap sheet of every defendant that comes before them, including the previous charges that were plea bargained down, and their juvenile record.

If this felon is willing to continue to commit felonies, then he needs to go away forever. It isn't about him "paying the price"; it's about the people removing this human trash from society, and protecting those of us who wish to live without the threat of his presence among us.

31 posted on 03/07/2005 10:27:35 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Lazamataz

If you were convicted of this, not having had a history of multiple felony convictions, 26 years would be too much.

But for someone who has had multiple felony convictions, it bothers me not at all.

We as a society don't trust him as much as we trust someone who does not have such a record. And we require him to walk a narrower straight-and-narrow than we do of most.

He knew this, and chose to commit another felony.

It's on his head.


32 posted on 03/07/2005 10:32:12 AM PST by jdege
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To: beelzepug

You folks are splitting judicial hair. This sentencing violate the "spirit" of the law, even if it is within the letter. Don't you realize that this sort of short-minded idiocy leads to eventually to a total disillusionment in our justice system, one that will spread like a virus? Use your heads. You should be punished for the crimes you commit, not what you might do. Hell, if that's the case, we're ALL guilty.


33 posted on 03/07/2005 10:44:45 AM PST by Clock King
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To: LexBaird

If it were really about removing the human trash from society then the average served time for murder would not be a mere 7 years. Don't ignore the fact that the root of the problem is that violent crime is not proportionally punished to its severity. Regardless of past criminal behavior, 26 years for a lie, compared with light sentences routinely handed down for violent crimes, is disproportionate and unreasonable. You want to take the trash off the streets, the way to do it is to sentence them appropriately for their crimes. The three-strikes law is sentencing them for the negligence of the state legislature and the arrogance of the courts.


34 posted on 03/07/2005 10:49:38 AM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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To: thoughtomator
I don't give a damn what the "root causes" are. Agonizing over past mistakes or blaming it on unresponsive and anonymous judges isn't going to get career criminals off of the street.

This thug isn't being sentenced for "lying". He's being sentenced for two different violations: first, attempting to get an official identification by fraud, and second, for pursuing a felonious criminal career. The good people, in their wisdom, have decided that conviction of three felonies is ample proof of the latter, and that such continued and persistent actions are deserving of 25 to life.
35 posted on 03/07/2005 11:14:32 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Lazamataz
I don't get why he was playing games with the license,

You really don't get why a career criminal was trying to get a driver's license under an assumed name?

Say, Laz ... I know where you can get a brand new Rolex, really cheap.

36 posted on 03/07/2005 11:21:00 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: LexBaird
You really don't get why a career criminal was trying to get a driver's license under an assumed name?

I don't know either, at least not specifically, but I assumed it was somehow linked to hanky-panky. Was he trying to steal his cousin's identity, or what?

37 posted on 03/07/2005 11:24:00 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: thoughtomator
thoughtomator said: "One thing to note is that no three-strikes rule existed at the time of his previous convictions, which violates yet another Constitutional provision, the prohibition on ex post facto laws. "

Although I am very much a supporter of increasing severity of sentences for career criminals, I agree with you on this. The Constitution was explicit on this point for a reason.

I would also tie sentencing to the rate at which crimes are solved. If we are only solving 2% of burglaries, there is nothing wrong with recognizing that the average burglar apprehended is committing his share of the unsolved crimes. Decreasing initial penalties and increasing the sentences for recidivists will ensure that this policy is not harsh.

38 posted on 03/07/2005 11:29:09 AM PST by William Tell
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To: LexBaird

Considering the guy went 18 years without committing a crime, I wouldn't call that a career. This isn't the kind of person the law was intended to take off the street permanently. You are clearly driven by emotion and not any reasonable analysis of the situation.

Murder = 7 years. Burgulary + Armed Robbery + ID fraud = 32+ years? That's ridiculous and out of proportion in the extreme.

Whatever the good people of California may have decided in this case, it does not trump the basic rights enumerated in the Constitution. That's the difference between a republic and a democracy - a democracy is mere mob rule. A 26-year sentence for ID fraud meets every and any reasonable test of "excessive" as spelled out in the 8th Amendment.


39 posted on 03/07/2005 11:31:46 AM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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To: William Tell

I'm very much a supporter of increasing penalties for repeat offenders, too, but this law is ridiculous and doesn't meet basic Constitutional standards.


40 posted on 03/07/2005 11:33:33 AM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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