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To: HolgerDansk
Three MALE co-workers of mine who left HP had very negative things to say about Carly's leadership, or alleged leadership and mgmt style.

It was all very touchy feely. They *really* cared.
It was very feminized.
Decisions were less important than communication and collaboration.
Efforts and intentions were rewarded more than outcomes and results.
It was also at the same time very Machiavellian (full of back-stabbing and comments made about you after the meeting was over.)

... AND they perceived it was a great place to be an ambitious female, not male.
11 posted on 03/06/2005 8:07:33 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag
It was also at the same time very Machiavellian (full of back-stabbing and comments made about you after the meeting was over.)

Definitely feminized, and I'm a woman. I'm pretty far down on the employment food chain, but I know that when you have some types of women running the show...it's hell.

22 posted on 03/06/2005 8:21:08 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: Blueflag
Efforts and intentions were rewarded more than outcomes and results.

Can you imagine Fiorina as a World War II battlefield general conversing with Patton?

"George you're too hard on the men. You don't care enough for their self-esteem and you've made no efforts to fully integrate gays and transvestites into your strategy and plans. As a result, you're not getting the full rich diversity of efforts and ideas that would make you successful. In my army division everyone's a winner. If one soldier gets a silver star they all get silver stars because we realize that success is not an individual achievement. And we don't judge heroism or achievement by hills taken, machine gun nests taken out, or number of enemy killed. The mess hall soldier who prepares a thoughtful and colorful centerpiece for the mess hall table is just as important as the soldier who single-handedly takes out a platoon of German infantry. The mess hall soldier's efforts are no less heroic just because he doesn't spill gallons of blood. He brings happiness and joy to others with a splash of color and whimsy, and that's heroic in a special way. I'm warning you, George, you're not going to win any battles until you learn to engage the 'inner children' of your men and make them all feel important and valued for their good intentions irrespective of results."

27 posted on 03/06/2005 8:28:45 AM PST by JCEccles (If Jimmy Carter were a country, he'd be Canada.)
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To: Blueflag
It was very feminized.

Much of this occurred before Carly was hired.

[Perhaps they should have moved the corporate HQ to Boise instead...]

67 posted on 03/06/2005 2:15:21 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Blueflag
Three MALE co-workers of mine who left HP had very negative things to say about Carly's leadership, or alleged leadership and mgmt style.

It was all very touchy feely. They *really* cared. It was very feminized.

Decisions were less important than communication and collaboration.

Efforts and intentions were rewarded more than outcomes and results.

It was also at the same time very Machiavellian (full of back-stabbing and comments made about you after the meeting was over.)

... AND they perceived it was a great place to be an ambitious female, not male.

Every company I've ever worked for has been like that, especially my current employer. I should have never gotten out of the Army.

78 posted on 03/06/2005 7:19:15 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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