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CA: Jury clears Philip Morris in wrongful death lawsuit
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/4/05 | AP - Los Angeles

Posted on 03/04/2005 5:22:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: SheLion
It's about time the courts realize that people have to take responsibility for their own actions.

to a liberal, what you just said is like talking chinese to an orangutan..they dont understand that concept.

21 posted on 03/04/2005 6:22:51 PM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pissant
The flippin Feds need to pass legislation to terminate these ambulance chasers' flippin lawsuits against the (fill in industry here) industry

Better.

22 posted on 03/04/2005 6:23:35 PM PST by Guillermo (Abajo fidel: End the Cuban Trade Embargo)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
The day I buried my dad his mailbox was full of Phillip Morris solicitations to lobby for smokers rights. He died of lung cancer at 70 after smoking every Phillips Morris product they sold for over 50 years. He was diagnosed with lung cancer and underwent radiation therapy. From the time that started until he passed (less than a year) he coughed up pieces of lung each day as his tissues decomposed. It was not pretty but he continued to smoke until the day he died. It had just become such a part of him he could not bring himself to want to quit.

I smoked 26 years and was only able to break the grip of nicotine addiction with the help of some non-tobacco smoking products. (I smoked 4 packs a day at the time) Everyone is different but for me it was a drug addiction nothing more or less. I wanted to quit but could not overcome the withdrawal effects. I need a crutch to let my body adjusto to no dope. 90 Dyas after I quit I developed Hives and spasms that were controlled medically for a couple of weeks while the old bod decided it wasn't going to get mor nicotine no matter how much it protested. Then I was "clean" and have never even wanted to try another cig. (used to follow smokers around just to get a whif though, smelled so good and familiar)

I understand why people smoke and you are right. You have every right to risk whatever awaits for the enjoyment of smoking. When it is your time you have no one to blame but yourself. Just be aware of the pain you may inflict on your loved ones...I still miss the years I could have spent with my father and so do his grandchildren. Also be aware of and sensitive to the really obnoxious effects you may have on non-smokers that inhabit the same space. Smokers really stink but they can't tell it..pew. and they make many other non-smokers (not your enemies because they chose not to smoke)eyes and breathing passages burn badly.

I have no regard what ever for Phillip Morris. They purposefully increased the nicotine content of their products to increased the addictive effect. They purposefully targeted their advertising to teenagers expressly to addict the most influenceable population that could provide an expanding longer lived market for their poison as their original market died off from related smoking diseases. They are scum.

However, I think you are right. You have the right to smoke as long as you can. Just don't expect sympathy when you begin coughing up parts of your lungs or for anyone else to shoulder the burden of financial support of your health care expense as you decompose. I'm not sure of my statistics but I think you have a few good years left before you reach the point where most lung cancers begin to show symptoms. Get regular checkups and let's hear back in say 10 years.

Really I bear you no malice. Enjoy. Take a deep drag and chill. After smoking for 26 years (have been clean for 20 years now) I can still remember the satisfaction of a deep draw after the meal.

23 posted on 03/04/2005 6:49:26 PM PST by Les_Miserables
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To: rocksblues
I suspect if I die before 77, I will die from some other cause than smoking!

Quite possibly. As far as cancer goes - one guy I heard on the radio claimed that your don't die of cancer "caused" by cigarettes. His claim was that you die of cancer because you have a defective immune system.

His claim was that on any given day, you'll have many cancerous cells in your body - its just that your body will kill them off and dispose of them.

At times, they will be sufficiently aggressive that you can't - or your immune system will be sufficiently weakened that you cannof fight them. Whether cigarettes contribute to *that* is another issue, but his opinion was that cigarettes do NOT "cause" cancer - rather, it's a defective immune system that allows it to live.

Whatever. I smoked. I quit. I drank. I quit. Most of that was related to boredom anyway, in my case.

24 posted on 03/04/2005 7:19:46 PM PST by Who dat?
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To: Les_Miserables

Listen, I can tell my lungs are already damaged and I am dying. When I sleep at night and I cough, my right lung makes popping noises if you can believe it. Don`t know if I have lung cancer, maybe I do, but I can tell you right now I won`t live very long. Nicotine is the most addictive drug on this planet. Malcolm X said when he was young he was addicted to every drug he could lay his hands on, heroin, cocaine, marijuana. He was able to quit all of them except nicotine.

The government bans drugs that are far less damaging and addicting, marijuana being number one, yet alcohol and nicotine, two of THE most harmful addictive drugs on this planet are kept legal solely to support this country. The melody of the National Anthem of this country is from an old beer drinking song, you watch TV, alcohol is promoted relentlessly, sports and alcohol are promoted relentlessly, yet alcohol destroys more lives than every other drug combined.

I use to work in a hospital and I can`t tell you how many people I met who were hospitalized because of alcohol. On the other hand I barely remember anyone hospitalized for any other drug. It was always cancer from smoking and failed liver from drinking.

The fact is everyone is responsible for their own behaviour. We live in a free society, and being that I am a nicotine junkie is nobodys fault but my own. This country may support itself by blood money. RINO Bloomberg of New York may tax the hell out of cigarettes to support New york liberal socialist programs and to cover leech lawsuits and pay phony union workman comp claims, but in the end everyone is responsible for their own health, and when I die from smoking and put my familiy in agony it is my own fault and I will never ask the government to ban cigarettes or alcohol or guns or anything else. In a free society, each man is a country unto his own. That is the price of freedom. I`m sorry your father died, but he is responsible for his death, not Phillip Morris or anyone else. You on the other hand quit and you are responsible for your continued good health.


25 posted on 03/04/2005 7:25:53 PM PST by Imaverygooddriver (I`m a very good driver and I approve this message.)
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To: Who dat?
I agree with the one guy you heard about cancer.

Emphysema again is another story.

I still smoke. I still drink. Oh Well!

26 posted on 03/04/2005 7:30:45 PM PST by rocksblues (Liberalism is a sickness not a political ideology)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
Yep but teenagers the scum bags hook on nicotine (telling them all the while it is not addictive) are still scum bags. The fact is I could not have broken the addiction without the help of that product that mysteriously disappeared after a brief market appearance. Liggett Myers has tried to introduce a similar product but cannot call it a smoking cessation aid because the FDA will force them into trials that will never be approved (you understand the FDA, I can tell from your post.)
The fact is some of us are not strong enough to break the addiction that was started when "it was cool" to smoke and no damn warning was either on the package nor would probably have been heeded by a stupid teenager. I know 'cause I was one when I started. Don't get your back up at me. Smoke away. But don't pretend the tobacco companies had no part in purposefully addicting millions of people (mostly teens who are not noted for really great judgment) and that it was just purely a matter of choice. After you have made the dumba$$ mistake of beginning to smoke as a teen you find yourself hooked on something stronger than you are. And Phillip Morris and all the rest of them knew it, still know it, and are still hooking children on stuff that kills. To pretend it is only a matter of choice is pure Bovine Excrement and you know it deep inside. Like I said puff away , smell as bad as you like, but let's be honest about how all of us really got where we are. As you said nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet. The conclusion from that statement with which I agree is logically the tobacco companies are the largest and most egregious dope pushers on the planet only they are legal. whoopee for the difference.Didn't mean to start a flame war. Have it you way but for those non-smokers who may read this please understand what you are dealing with before you think of starting.
27 posted on 03/04/2005 8:05:59 PM PST by Les_Miserables
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To: rocksblues
Emphysema again is another story

Yep. My dad had an uncle that had it bad. He'd hack-up half a lung-full of snotty stuff before (nearly) each sentence.

Literally kept a 12oz Styrofoam cup for the purpose.

Never smoked or drank though...

28 posted on 03/04/2005 8:24:17 PM PST by Who dat?
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