Posted on 03/04/2005 4:38:27 PM PST by Lindykim
--- Activist: Assault on Christians Exposes Homosexual Movements Violent Heart By Allie Martin March 4, 2005
Police in one Wisconsin city are being asked to look into the alleged assault of two Christians who claim they were attacked while sharing a biblical message about homosexuality.
Earlier this week, two member of Wisconsin Christians United (WCU) were in Burlington distributing a brochure titled "Homosexuality: The Truth." After leaving literature at homes throughout the city, the pair stood on a busy street, holding signs which read "Homosexuality is Sin" and "Christ Can Set You Free."
After a short time, a car with two individuals stopped near the picketers. According to eyewitnesses, one of the car's occupants approached the picketers yelling obscenities. Then the man allegedly began assaulting the Christians. Ralph Ovadal, director of WCU, says this is not the first time his group has seen what he calls "this very, very violent heart of the homosexual movement." Despite the ugliness of that exhibition, he feels there is a certain benefit to be gained from such confrontations.
"There's an awful lot of people that are deceiving themselves," Ovadal says, "thinking [that] on this particular issue we can strike a happy balance, and we can coexist with both sides in this thing, and we can all be happy and just get on with life -- and it's just not true."
According to the Wisconsin pro-family leader, such intolerant reactions to Christian expressions are common. "We hear it over and over and over," he says, "that our speech is not legitimate, it incites, it's something that's violent in and of itself, and, if we insist on continuing to preach what we preach. we should be put in jail."
Still, Ovadal says, in many such confrontations, the Christians have encountered fair-minded and dutiful law-enforcement officials. "I will say this -- in Burlington, as in so many other places, we met some very good police officers ... some very godly police officers out there, and they did their job," he notes. "They were upset by what happened, and we're hoping that their eyes were opened as well to what's going on in our culture."
A suspect has been arrested in connection with the Burlington assault, and Ovadal says police are investigating the altercation. Despite that incident, the WCU leader says members of his group will soon be back in Burlington, handing out more literature.
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They ARE bubba.
This just goes to show... always bring a video camera when you are out witnessing on the street.
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I agree.
This sort of approach that singles out specific groups of people to call "sinners" tends to drive people away from Christ.
There is nothing wrong with calling sin, sin, but the truth is ALL are sinners and need Christ.
Not just homosexuals.
Christ followers have the Holy Spirit living inside of them and cannot help BUT witness for the Lord like the prophet John the Baptist did.
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Some people do not preach out of love for the sinner. Holding up signs that say "God hates fags" is just hateful!
Going door to door with literature explaining the Biblical reason homosexuality is sinful and why sinners need to repent can plant a seed that may take root years later when a homosexual realizes his or her sin. I give credit to those who have the calling to do this.
Here's a question for you: If confronting people about their sins is the job of heaven's designated representatives as you say, how do you teach people about their sins if they never come in contact with these representatives? Let's say we narrowly define these reps. as ordained ministers. How many openly homosexuals will go to a church where a minister who faithfully preaches about sins and repentance and the forgiveness of Christ can talk with them? These representatives must seek out the sinners!
Thank you. You made the point better than I could have.
When did Christ go around "witnessing" to people in this manner?
It was the Pharisees who dragged people in front of Christ to condemn for sexual sin. Jesus didn't condone the sin but He was more critical of the Pharisees than he was of any other group of people in the Bible.
John's call to repentance was clear, and it was Biblical, so was Jesus parting words in Matthew:
(Mat 28:19 KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(Mat 28:20 KJV) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
This now comes down to: What did Jesus Command us? Did Jesus condemn sin?
Easily, Jesus spoke more about damnation than any other topic, and that has been proven over time and again.
Fighting words are not reason to assault.
Words are not a reason to assault, nor is the printed page.
If that was true, each one of us would be justified in Killing every democrat who voted against impeachment.
That's what we are supposed to have church leaders for. But in this country there are so many different interpretations about it all. Self-appointed witnesses of their true religion are almost as much a danger as the homosexual agenda.
Jesus told certain people to witness certain things and appointed leaders. He did not tell everybody to run around and point out everybody else's sins to them.
Don't worry. Homosexuals know what the bible says. Don't for one minute think they don't. They put their own spin on it, but they know what's in there.
Trust me, it's only making them hate Christians all the more the way some of them treat and talk about them.
Yes, Jesus condemned sin. ALL SIN. Homosexual sin. Adultery. Lying. Gossip. My sin, YOUR sin.
So do you think it's our job as Christians to be pointing out your sins and telling you that you're going to Hell?
That's your idea of the Gospel message?
Jesus also said "Judge not" or you would "be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Yes, we should address sin. But I don't think what these people are doing is necessarily in the Spirit of Christ and His message of forgiveness and redemption.
Too many people preaching their interpretation of the gospel is one sure way to turn people off to the Christian message, sometimes forever.
Yes, Jesus criticized the Pharasees. But he also pointed out sexual sin. Go here http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=John%204;&version=31; and look at verses 16 and 17.
He also gave her hope.
This is how we should approach all sinners, including homosexuals. Show them their sins then give them hope through Christ!
Umm, the context was for all of us, and that does mean every Tom, Dick, and Harry.
And teaching the world to observe ALL things means ALL things, not just the things that sound nice.
And pointing out all sin means encouraging peole to stop acting like sinners, right?
And that would include telling people what was wrong with what they were doing first, right?
So, what is your issue here then?
You just seem to be offended that I think CCM is wrong for thee Churches to use in worship.
I never mentioned ONE PERSON on this thread as being a sinner worse than any other, so, you seem to be misjudging me quite a bit here.
I have been condemning the acts, not the people, and we are commanded to make judgements on right and wrong.
Yes, Jesus let the woman bring up her situation and was very gentle in addressing the fact that she was living with men who were not her husband.
He didn't go pounding on her door to condemn her sin or carry signs on her street telling her she was going to Hell for adultery.
I know these people mean well, but the truth is they don't resemble Jesus at all.
This is how we should approach all sinners, including homosexuals. Show them their sins then give them hope through Christ!
Well unless you claim to be sinless I guess this applies to you as well.
And we as your Christian chums need to show you your sins, tell you that you're going to Hell and give you hope through Christ!
You are free to believe and do as you please.
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