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Neighbor, other man charged in slaying of Jersey City family
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Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie

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To: jpl

Yeah, like the weapon(s). How did they get the PIN, though? Weren't some of the victims tortured?


21 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:49 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: The_Reader_David

Look, the King family is convinced Martin Luther King was killed by a giant conspiracy going to the top of the US Government, not by a lone dumb redneck.


People from the Coptic community were shocked and horrified by this crime and they drew some comfort from the idea they were religious martyrs, which is still based on very thin evidence. It doesn't make them right.


22 posted on 03/04/2005 2:46:37 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Fred Nerks

However, and I guess you all knew this was coming, islam can't accuse anyone of bigotry as the result of speculation that the crime may have been 'religiously' motivated. Their numerous threats based upon the koranic requirement that all infidels should die or don't deserve to live, is what pointed the finger straight at them. Not us. >>>

It nauseates me no end that CAIR PAID for a press release announcing that the murders were deemed no relation to Islam.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-04-2005/0003119325&EDATE=


23 posted on 03/04/2005 2:48:34 PM PST by Selkie
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To: REDWOOD99

The 8 year old daughter was apparently tortured in order to elicit the passcode.


24 posted on 03/04/2005 2:49:22 PM PST by Selkie
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To: King Prout
RE: I'm not believing this one.

From the past: "Richard Jewell to get more than $500000 from NBC - January 3, 1997; FBI chief can't explain media leaks in Olympic bombing. . . . "

Literally just days before Richard Jewell was singled out I weighed the importance for the government of getting the bombing solved and stated confidently to anyone who would listen that the government would grab the first apparent "loner" off the street and charge him. Meanwhile it appears to me now that the government was chasing someone who disappeared into the wilderness. He was caught and charged months later. But the government needed someone immediately.

My instincts say the same today. These crimes are explosive.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses. . . .

Already in trouble with the law they are going to rob the downstairs neighbors?! Did they use the ATM card? Perhaps. Perhaps they took stuff after the murders downstairs.

25 posted on 03/04/2005 2:49:40 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

don't mistake me: I am under no illusions regarding whether criminals are stupid... they ARE.

but I am not buying this.
I'll need to see hard cold forensic evidence before i do.
I'll also need to see evidence completely exculpating their muslim opponents on the net.


26 posted on 03/04/2005 2:53:23 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Strategerist

The point is, they know the specific woman, that the Armanious's helped convert her, and they know her family fled the country. Could be coincidence, but I'd not bet on it.

Stealing from the dead sounds more like the MO of low-life drifters than an attempt to simulate a 'strike at the necks of the infidels' Islamic murder as a way to throw off suspicion.


27 posted on 03/04/2005 2:53:44 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: REDWOOD99

"How did they get the PIN, though?"

The father's wallet was turned out, so he could have had it there, I'm sure lots of people do that, even though they tell you not to.

However, the reason there was so much money available to be stolen was because they were doing some kind of refinancing and all that money was in the checking account. It seems like MAYBE the tenant could have known about that. In any event these were not wealthy people, they probably didn't often have large amounts of money in their bank account, so to think the Islamofacists killed them, and the tenant just stumbles on the bodies, takes the ATM card (rather than calling the police to report the murders!) and lucks into tens of thousands of dollars, well, that seems a tad too complicated and co-incidental to me.


28 posted on 03/04/2005 2:54:35 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: Shermy
Where does the report say that "one of them" was using the card??

I'd also like to know the source of this quote:
"DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people..."
Was one of the suspects keeping a diary?

29 posted on 03/04/2005 2:55:36 PM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: Selkie

Drugs, torture, stolen ATM, use of stole ATM.... Maybe it was just a drug killing. It's not as "glamorous" as an Islamic hit but it has happened before.


30 posted on 03/04/2005 2:57:44 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: jocon307
"How did they get the PIN, though?" The father's wallet was turned out, so he could have had it there, I'm sure lots of people do that, even though they tell you not to.

Good point. Also, many, many people use their birthday as their PIN number, even though you shouldn't do that either (I know I do). I'm not sure if New Jersey driver's licenses show a person's Date of Birth, but my Virginia driver's license sure does!

31 posted on 03/04/2005 3:02:43 PM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: Selkie
This does not add up at all. No break-in and four people with throat slit do not point to this type of crime. The fact that it is two professional crooks makes me suspicious.
These two seem like fall guys. I am sceptical at present.
32 posted on 03/04/2005 3:04:01 PM PST by Marano NYC
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To: norton

Where does the report say that "one of them" was using the card??>.>

I just flipped thru 5 local news channels.
Apparently there is video of the alledged killers as they used the ATM card in a drive thru ATM.


Seems very damning.
This was apparently a robbery gone wrong.



They meant to rob, not kill the family.
The youngest daughter broke free at one point and saw one the killers, so then then proceeded to kill the whole family so they couldnt be identified.


33 posted on 03/04/2005 3:06:21 PM PST by Selkie
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To: norton

Where does the report say that "one of them" was using the card??>.>

I just flipped thru 5 local news channels.
Apparently there is video of the alledged killers as they used the ATM card in a drive thru ATM.


Seems very damning.
This was apparently a robbery gone wrong.



They meant to rob, not kill the family.
The youngest daughter broke free at one point and saw one the killers, so then then proceeded to kill the whole family so they couldnt be identified.


34 posted on 03/04/2005 3:06:21 PM PST by Selkie
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Probably an inference from where the bodies lay, blood trails, etc.

As for the Muslim angle, it was certainly fed by his countrymen protesting that "Muslims" did it. Then the "neck wounds" were turned into some kind of Jihadist beheadings but it wasn't that - just stabs like other places in their bodies. I thought from the beginning this was drug fueled. Certainly the case isn't closed.


35 posted on 03/04/2005 3:06:45 PM PST by Shermy
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To: King Prout
RE: "I am not buying this."

I am not buying the story either. Not yet. I did not buy the Jewell story either. Never.

"I'll also need to see evidence completely exculpating their muslim opponents."

Me too.

36 posted on 03/04/2005 3:08:59 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: Shermy

The evening news says that Sanchez was equipped with a 9mm.....
Why not just shoot them excution style instead of the bloody work of stabbing ?


37 posted on 03/04/2005 3:12:15 PM PST by Selkie
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To: jocon307

takes the ATM card (rather than calling the police to report the murders!) >>>

Yeah but he was an ex-con and a former tenant, so he would not call the cops because he'd know he'd be the first suspect. (which he was)


39 posted on 03/04/2005 3:14:15 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

Noise.


40 posted on 03/04/2005 3:14:55 PM PST by Shermy
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