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Engine fails on BA jet twice in a week
Reuters ^ | Fri Mar 4, 2005 10:06 AM ET | Staff

Posted on 03/04/2005 9:46:29 AM PST by Paleo Conservative

LONDON (Reuters) - A British Airways passenger jet was forced to shut down one of its engines in mid-flight twice in one week after a replacement engine failed, the airline said Friday.

In what BA described as a bizarre coincidence, the number two engine on a Boeing 747-400 plane flying from Singapore to London was shut down last month after the pilot received an oil pressure warning.

The aircraft, carrying 356 passengers, arrived safely in London after flying for more than 10 hours on three of its four engines. The 747-400 is designed to fly safely on three engines.

The same jet was forced to fly on three engines from Los Angeles to London less than a week earlier after the previous number-two engine stopped mid-way into the flight after a fuel surge.

The plane made an emergency landing at Manchester Airport after fuel ran low. The faulty engine was replaced with a new engine fresh off the production line.

"It looks like one of those freaky coincidences. It is perfectly safe to fly on three engines, and the 747 can fly on two engines," a BA spokesman said.

Britain's Civil Aviation Authority said it was monitoring the BA investigation into the incident but said it saw no reason to issue any operational guidance on engine failure to carriers.

"It is not a common event but it happens from time to time," an aviation source said.

BA has rejected any suggestion the decision to fly on only three engines was linked to new rules which force airlines to compensate passengers for major delays.


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1 posted on 03/04/2005 9:46:31 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 03/04/2005 9:47:34 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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3 posted on 03/04/2005 9:49:06 AM PST by Aeronaut (You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky. -- Amelia Earhart)
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To: Paleo Conservative

umm what about those flying contraptions with like only 2 engines? I doubt they are designed to run on just one. If we were meant to fly we wouldn't have been given legs.


4 posted on 03/04/2005 9:49:45 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: Paleo Conservative
It is perfectly safe to fly on three engines, and the 747 can fly on two engines,…

I read the initial story about the plane from LA to London. They claimed it’s ok, but the pilot had to give more rudder to keep it straight and caused more drag and used more fuel.

So I wondered, if it can fly on two, why they didn’t just shut down one on the other side so you don’t have two pushing on one side and only one on the other.

Because they don’t want to lose another and not be able to restart the one they shut down, I guess.

5 posted on 03/04/2005 9:51:55 AM PST by Who dat?
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To: Paleo Conservative
Here are some previous threads about the British Aiways incident.

Jet Flies On With One Engine Out LA Times ^ | 03/01/2005| Eric Malnic and Hector Becerra, Times Staff Writers | 03/01/2005

British Airways Action Attracts FAA Questions Washington Post ^ | March 1, 2005 | Sara Kehaulani Goo

High Anxiety, Part II: Same 747 Flies Again On Three Engines Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/4/2005 | SCOTT MCCARTNEY

6 posted on 03/04/2005 9:53:30 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
In what BA described as a bizarre coincidence...

Maybe not so bizarre if the engine has a problem. I'd think it more unusual if a different engine on the same plane shut down. Lemon law?

7 posted on 03/04/2005 9:53:58 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: bobdsmith

I wonder that every time when I fly a 777 to Asia. I looked iinto it. They can fly on one and have many bingo fields en route in the event one engine goes toes up.


8 posted on 03/04/2005 9:54:28 AM PST by llevrok (Don't blame me! I voted for Pedro.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Or did someone in maintainance restart the original engine, decide it ran OK, and bootleg the new engine out the back door?

So9

9 posted on 03/04/2005 9:54:59 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: bobdsmith
what about those flying contraptions with like only 2 engines? I doubt they are designed to run on just one.

On the contrary, the Boeing 777 (twin-engine, wide-body) had to prove it could fly on just one engine in order to be FAA-approved for trans-Pacific flight.

10 posted on 03/04/2005 9:55:09 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
From experience it's a pencil pushin' pinhead who got a bonus by "auditing" maintenance procedures.
11 posted on 03/04/2005 9:56:23 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Such free advertising is always good for business.


12 posted on 03/04/2005 9:56:35 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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Wasn't it British Airways that was under threat a few months ago and had all the canceled flights?
13 posted on 03/04/2005 9:56:38 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: bobdsmith
what about those flying contraptions with like only 2 engines? I doubt they are designed to run on just one.

Actually, they are.

14 posted on 03/04/2005 9:57:51 AM PST by PAR35
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bobdsmith
what about those flying contraptions with like only 2 engines? I doubt they are designed to run on just one.

newgeezer
On the contrary, the Boeing 777 (twin-engine, wide-body) had to prove it could fly on just one engine in order to be FAA-approved for trans-Pacific flight.

Not just fly on one engine. It has to be able to take off if an engine fails during takeoff. The routes of 777s are restricted to being within 180 minutes flying time on one engine from an alternative airport.

15 posted on 03/04/2005 9:58:17 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Maybe not so bizarre if the engine has a problem.

Also maybe not so bizarre when you consider that new behemoth put out by Airbus that's going to be competing with the 747.

16 posted on 03/04/2005 10:01:00 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Yes, about a year ago??

BA222 or 223 I can't remember...Heathrow to DC.


17 posted on 03/04/2005 10:01:07 AM PST by WestCoastGal (Damn, J.R., I told you to go get me the four biggest writers in racing, not the 4 fattest asses" "E")
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To: bobdsmith
umm what about those flying contraptions with like only 2 engines? I doubt they are designed to run on just one

Actually, they are. You can't fly as high, or maintain as much airspeed, but they will stay in the air. That's the only reason they are allowed to operate over water.

20 posted on 03/04/2005 10:24:57 AM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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