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To: x; thoughtomator

Precisely.

It is society that creates the state, not the other way around. The rejection of Victorian rules means that society asks the state to expand correspondingly to set the norms that used to be set by religion, family, and the "gentleman code". Each collapsing cultural norm creates new laws (How much obscenity law was there before "Deep Throat" ? It was simple before then. Shut it down. In the days when the "gentleman's agreement" that was the Hayes Code held sway in Hollywood was it necessary for actresses to have "no-nudity" clauses in their contracts or for there to be a rating system ?). The idea of the author is that if you destroy the social safety net completely and totally you will have a world in which it is dangerous to defy authority or step out of line. His goal is to restore Victorian levels of conformism and respect for authority.

But modern people do not want to go back to a 1900 state if it means being stuck all your life in a miserable marriage or having fear of gossip and scandal run your life. Women in particular (and it always struck me that the reason women have no use for libertarianism is because to women, thoughtomator's "sixgun justice" kind of world is a world where it is open season on a woman alone. In a "sixgun justice" kind of world, get mobbed up or get raped.) will always choose big government over patriarchy and the comeback of corset, chaperonne, duenna, and arranged marriage.


214 posted on 03/05/2005 5:55:19 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham

Don't ping me, you troll. I have no interest in wasting an instant more on your distortions and fabricated dilemnas.


215 posted on 03/05/2005 7:18:56 AM PST by thoughtomator (National Socialist, Transnational Socialist, what's the difference?)
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