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To: thoughtomator

Why ?

Because human nature is not basically good. Because Hobbes had it basically right.

You have an absurd and ahistorical hypothesis. That you can have a 1900 state with a 2005 society.

Let's take an obvious example. Family law. In a society where children were seen and not heard were there child abuse laws ? In a society where "What God hath joined together let no man tear asunder" held sway what need was there for pre-nups or community property or no-fault etc ? In a society where a man who got a woman "in trouble" was expected to "do the right thing" or be ostracized what need was there for child support hearings or DNA tests or palimony hearings, etc ? As cultural norms get weaker the law and the state must get stronger because society has a permanent interest in protecting women and children.


141 posted on 03/04/2005 9:48:05 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham

You're not demanding freedom, you're demanding perfection. You can't be satisfied, and anyone who would try to satisfy you is wasting their time. Ping me when you have some realistic expectations of a society you would consider worthy of your participation.


142 posted on 03/04/2005 9:50:05 AM PST by thoughtomator (National Socialist, Transnational Socialist, what's the difference?)
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