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Dean, Buchanan offer some shared concerns at fund-raiser
AP ^ | 3-3-05

Posted on 03/03/2005 10:35:12 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Dean, Buchanan offer some shared concerns at fund-raiser
3/3/2005, 9:39 p.m. ET
By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN
The Associated Press

LIVONIA, Mich. (AP) — Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean and conservative commentator Pat Buchanan said Thursday that they are concerned about the growing federal deficit and the movement of American jobs overseas.

The pair spoke to nearly 1,000 people at a $125-per-plate fund-raising dinner for Michigan State University's 2005 Michigan Political Leadership Program at Laurel Manor. They disagreed on many issues, but reached agreement on more than a few.

Buchanan said the nation must do something to stem its growing federal deficit. The White House projects that this year's deficit will hit $427 billion, a record partly driven by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I think we are on an inexorable and very, very dangerous path," he said.

Buchanan also said something must be done to deal with federal programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Without changes, the Social Security trustees project that by 2042, the program won't have enough to pay promised benefits fully.

"Social Security and Medicare are Thelma and Louise, and they're headed for the cliff and we're in the back seat," Buchanan said.

Dean agreed that Social Security has problems, but said the Bush administration is more interested in pushing its ideology than in solving shortfalls.

Bush proposes allowing younger workers to divert a portion of their payroll taxes into personal accounts that could be invested in stocks and bonds. In return, they would forgo some of the traditional Social Security benefit.

"Unfortunately, the president chose to do something that does everything for his ideology and nothing for the problem," Dean said.

Buchanan repeated his ongoing criticism of trade agreements, saying they are costing American jobs.

"What is taking place is a betrayal of the American worker. ... NAFTA and GATT are sending your factories all over the world," Buchanan said of the North American Free Trade Agreement and General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade. Buchanan noted that 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have disappeared since Bush took office.

Dean, a former Vermont governor, was an early front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination last year before his campaign faded after early primaries. He was elected DNC chairman last month and is on a "red, white and blue" tour of states with long records of voting Republican.

Buchanan ran three times for the Republican presidential nomination and was the Reform Party's presidential nominee in 2000.

Dean and Buchanan were scheduled to hold a similar event Thursday morning in Grand Rapids. The money will be used to support 24 fellowships awarded to aspiring political leaders who go through the leadership program


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: buchanan; dean; howarddean; howardtheduck; mullahpat; patbuchanan; patbuchananhatesjews; patrickbuchanan; pitchforkpat
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1 posted on 03/03/2005 10:35:13 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan

Now they're a pair to draw to.
Only Ross Perot is missing.


2 posted on 03/03/2005 10:37:27 PM PST by onyx (Henry Kissinger: Asked if SoS Rice calls him, replied, "no never, she doesn't need advice.")
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To: Dan from Michigan

Two sides of the same coin?


3 posted on 03/03/2005 10:39:57 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Dan from Michigan

We've all known that Buchanan was gravitating toward the Democrats. The big moment was when he started advocating a national "living wage". Maybe the scales will finally fall from the "brigadiers'" eyes.


4 posted on 03/03/2005 10:42:46 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: Dan from Michigan

No surprise there. Buchanan has claimed since sometime in the 1990s that the hard left and hard right are natural allies.

Or -- not to fan the flames of paranoia -- perhaps Buchanan is doing yeoman work in discrediting Howard Dean and the rest of the single-party-state advocacy within the DNC and DP. Buchanan must realize that he's a sideshow act, at best, and unelectable.


5 posted on 03/03/2005 10:45:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Did they blame the JOOOOSSSSS for anything?? Ole Buchy usually does. Paul Craig Roberts would blend right in with Buchy and Howie.


6 posted on 03/03/2005 10:47:56 PM PST by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
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"said Thursday that they are concerned about the growing federal deficit and the movement of American jobs overseas."

Hillary in India: 'Outsourcing Will Continue'
NewsMax.com | Feb. 28, 2005 | Carl Limbacher
Posted on 02/28/2005 8:37:50 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax
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7 posted on 03/03/2005 10:48:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Both are members of the "Blame America/Israel First" club.


8 posted on 03/03/2005 10:58:43 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: Dan from Michigan
Dean, Buchanan


9 posted on 03/03/2005 11:12:19 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: onyx

Pat Buchanan says, "I'll teach you not to elect me president! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

Howard Dean says, 'Me too! RAAAAAAAAAA'


10 posted on 03/03/2005 11:46:24 PM PST by Righty_McRight ("Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter" Proverbs 24:11)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Reminds me of the G. Gordon Liddy/Timothy Leary joint appearances several years ago. This current yin and yang combination is just as nauseating.
11 posted on 03/04/2005 12:13:27 AM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Reminds me of the G. Gordon Liddy/Timothy Leary joint appearances several years ago. Never use the word "joint" in a describing the Liddy/Leary lectures. G. Gordon is likely to assume you're trying to score a two-pointer by linking him to Leary's drug use, and to the "joint" where Gordon spent some of his unhappiest years. I wouldn't want Mr. Liddy mad at me.
12 posted on 03/04/2005 11:57:22 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie

Nah, completely unintentional 'joint' pun, but the incongruity of the two men sharing a lecture platform still strikes me as a highpoint of cultural surreality. Insofar as provoking a former CREEP operative, I remain unconcerned. Liddy couldn't pull off a fairly straightforward hotel burglary. I doubt very much his 'Master of Black Ops' persona plays outside of the occasional Soldier of Fortune convention. Besides, I've known a few genuinely dangerous men, and he doesn't strike me as one of them.


13 posted on 03/05/2005 11:52:02 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: SunkenCiv; jveritas; bayourod; Howlin; Cultural Jihad; Ben Ficklin
No surprise there. Buchanan has claimed since sometime in the 1990s that the hard left and hard right are natural allies.

We witness it on this forum everyday. There is a small group on the far right who are and have allied themselves with certain elements of the liberal media (Most notably Lou Dobbs) and some have even proclaimed their support for Hillary because she is telling them what they want to her on their pet issue. Both the far right and extreme left have one thing in common, they both hate the Republican Party and President Bush (the left because they're out of power, the far right because the party has rejected people like Buchanan) and both want to do their best to destroy it. The left wants to regain their power, the far right just wants to screw anyone who they think stands in their way of becoming a national party of self proclaimed "true conservatives".

14 posted on 03/06/2005 12:01:41 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Dan from Michigan

Is it true that the far left and the far right do indeed meet?


15 posted on 03/06/2005 12:09:21 AM PST by Brimack34
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To: Dan from Michigan
Buchanan and Nader
16 posted on 03/06/2005 3:57:37 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dan from Michigan
Pat Buchanan - He's a Nazi, a racist, a homophone, he hates little kids, and puppies, everything he says is wrong.

Pat likes Oatmeal, so oatmeal must be terrible.

Ignore the deficits, ignore the coming collapse of Medicare and SS

Don't worry - be happy.
17 posted on 03/06/2005 4:07:49 AM PST by rcocean
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To: Dan from Michigan; All

Did anybody catch Rush's remark, I think on Thursday's show, that he had heard from Mary Matlin that some "prominent Democrat" was expecting a realignment on the horizon, with an alliance b/w the anti-war/isolationist elements of the Left and Right?

Wonder if Howie was the unnamed Dim. Maybe America will get its own version of the Red-Brown coalition.


18 posted on 03/06/2005 4:13:40 AM PST by YCTHouston (Come and take it.)
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To: rcocean
Bush is trying to save SS, you moron. Oh, yeah-according to the Patricia-ans, Bush is a flaming liberal.

Deano and Patricia deserve each other. This is the only way that Patricia can still get attention.

19 posted on 03/06/2005 4:31:28 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: COEXERJ145
Great analysis.

The left wants to regain their power, the far right just wants to screw anyone who they think stands in their way of becoming a national party of self proclaimed "true conservatives".

And both are insanely delusional for believing that they can be in power.

20 posted on 03/06/2005 9:39:39 AM PST by jveritas
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