Arizona bill would allow guns in schools, anywhere

Arizona Daily Star ^ | 3/2/05 | Howard Fischer

[Gilbo_3]

at first I thought you mustve posted to me ay accident, but I re-read your smarmy remarks and realized that you are just trolling, looking to argue absurd angles.

I gave you more than 'Columbine', but you obviously arent informed enough or dont care about the other scene i cited to realize that it was an actual event.

Furthermore, how do you rationalize that a lone cop would be any more prepared than the lone guard at columbine, while at the same time, saying that legal carry by whoever might be present in the school wouldnt have helped equalize the firepower?

Also, because you give some clown a badge, doesnt mean that theyre any more capable or safe with firearms, the reason I pondered why they are NOT disarmed when entering a school, like everyone else. theres plenty of examples of 'lost' weapons by cops, 'accidental' dishcharges etc, to maintain that simply because it IS a school, and kids & guns dont mix, that they SHOULD be disarmed.

Finally, lets just avoid the whole fact that it wasnt very long ago that students were allowed to bring their guns to school, for many reasons, and the problems didnt exist due to the guns.

Thats all I feel like typing right now...

[Luke21]

Brother Janet Napolitano will never sign this into law.

[Rhiannon]

Instilling moral values in children is a conservative belief. Parental responsibility for raising their children is also a conservative belief. There is nothing "inherently contradictory" about those two statements.

I'm not going to bother to respond to your other statements. posted by Norman

Norman,

Your statement that instilling moral values is a conservative belief is astoundingly conceited. I am sure that liberal parents also try to instill the values of, you shall not kill, steal etc., in their children. I am not so arrogant to think that as a conservative that I have a lock on moral values. Parental responsibily means to house, feed, cloth and educate our children to be good productive members of society. It does not mean that we accept their guilt when they do something wrong or criminal.

If a parent assumes the guilt of a serious wrong their children does, then they are absolving that child from taking responsibilty for their own actions. This trend to blame a third party for the criminal actions of a person is getting away from take responsibility for ones owns actions. It is the same arguement that attempts to make gun dealers responsible for the actions of the criminal who misuses guns.

I said that your are blaming the tool and thinking that if a gun is in school, that a child will be presumed to use it for ill deeds. I think that if a person wants to hurt another, than any tool could be used. I don't believe that a gun is inherently evil and calls out to vulnerable children and say' use me to kill someone."

I also do not want to live in a police state and having police in the schools. Schools with metal detectors and police in them are more like jails than places of education.In businesses there are not metal detectors or police there to ensure that people can do their business peacefully. That only happens in places of government like courts and defense installations.

I can understand that people do not wants children to be armed in school, but your arguement was illogical and not thought out.

You do not need to respond to my other arguements, if you do not wish to. However I thought this was a forum to discuss items, but to post and then say that you will not defend your statements is infantile.

I presented a reasoned arguement. I do not think based your statements, that you truly believe in the second amendment. You seem to have absorbed the idea that the guns are evil. That children are inherently evil and need police, metal detectors to prevent them from crimes they might committ.

Schools that have rifle teams and that train chldren in the safe and proper use of guns have not had the problems of shootings that have occured in schools of the last 20 years. So guns and schools can go together. Evidence that states that have CCW laws have had decrease in criminal acts. An armed scoiety can be a polite society.

Proper values have to be taught, the popular youth culture of gangsta rap that encourages young people to lash act with anger and to kill, rape and steal is one we as adults have to fight against.

Also your statement that you do not want to be badgered is silly. If you do not want people to respond to your posts, then don't post.