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To: Lurking Libertarian

"As well they should, because the 14th Amendment says that if you're born here, you're a citizen. Don't like it, amend the Constitution."

Exactly. We can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we want enforced. The that part of the 14th Amendment is plain as day and not open to the slightest interpretation:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States "


19 posted on 03/02/2005 9:49:02 AM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: OneTimeLurker
The that part of the 14th Amendment is plain as day and not open to the slightest interpretation:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States "

Not plain as day to me.
What does "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean to you?
It may surprise you to learn that it may not mean the same to me.

103 posted on 03/02/2005 10:33:46 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: OneTimeLurker
Exactly. We can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we want enforced. The that part of the 14th Amendment is plain as day and not open to the slightest interpretation:

Here's some interpretation. The 14th does not say "shall be citizens," it says "are citizens." It only addresses those non-citizens born in the US at the time it was ratified, i.e., former slaves. That is the context in which it was ratified (post-emancipation) and the reason for which it was ratified (conferring citizenship upon a group that was formerly "other persons"). The citizenship clause was not designed to have force into the future, but to redress a wrong of the past. If you read the rest of the article, it says "shall," not "will," so the first clause is unique in that respect.

262 posted on 08/07/2005 6:52:42 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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