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1 posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:17 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Good for them. I just can't believe there were four people in support of killing children.

You're either pro-life, or you're not.


169 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:44 AM PST by Quick1
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To: Next_Time_NJ

There is NO valid consitutional basis for this decision.

No matter what you think about the death penalty, there is nothing in the Constitution which forbids execution of teenage thugs who murder.

Justice Kennedy is way off the beam when he cites trends in state practice to justify his decision. That has nothing to do with what the Constitution says. The law is not trends: it is what the law-makers intended. History shows that a decision like this was never in the minds of the framers of the Contitution.

These five justices are complete legal idiots. If a mentally retarded person is not responsible for his crimes, surely judges who are as dumb as the majority in this case cannot be left in a place of responsibility on the Supreme Court.

The issue of the Supreme Court and judicial review is probably the most important in the country. It is what brought us widespread abortion. It will bring us more crimes and lawlessness. Therefore, it is the one fight which we must win. All other political quarrels are as nothing next to this one.

We are in a bad way, because much of the legal establishment enjoys the sort of lawlessness which the Supreme Court majority practiced today. They have various theories which justify it, but all such theories are bogus, and miss the point. It is characteristic of the legalistic mind, prejudiced by ideology and befuddled by masses of detail, to miss the main point of things. One might describe their state as "induced insanity." There is probably nothing organically amiss with the brain of one of those five in today's majority, but they are acting crazy.

Perfectly intelligent people can act like idiots: that is the definition of a fool. It is probably the word we should use for Judge Kennedy those who joined him in this inexcusable decision.


180 posted on 03/01/2005 7:53:38 AM PST by docbnj
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To: Next_Time_NJ; floriduh voter
The executions, the court said, were unconstitutionally cruel.

........hmmmmm and yet to pull the plug and MURDER Terri Shiavo, is humane!!! We are a messed up society!!!

189 posted on 03/01/2005 7:55:11 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I don't agree with the decision, in that I don't believe that executing people who murdered at age 16 or 17 is cruel and unusual punishment. However, it don't feel like there are any umbras or penumbras in the decision, either.

I simply disagree with the application of the term, "Cruel and unusual."


191 posted on 03/01/2005 7:55:29 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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Just where in the constitution does it say this?? Oh...it must be European Law, Custom and Practices that was USED by the FIVE!

Thank goodness for our ENLIGHTENED British and French friends.

203 posted on 03/01/2005 7:56:57 AM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Boy, that Supreme Court of ours is just so gosh-darn conservative (eyeballs rolling way up to the ceiling).


226 posted on 03/01/2005 8:03:38 AM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Very sad.

Hard to see where this is in the Constitution.

Liberals continue to be soft-on-crime, and the community that overwhelmingly suffers is the community of victims of crime. The social pathology of murder -- it's sorrow and its consequences -- hits particularly hard in the black community. Of course, white liberals don't even grasp that blacks are very concerned about adequate police enforcement and the safety of this community.

God works in mysterious ways. Maybe this ruling will persuade more African-Americans that it's the Republican party that has their best interests at heart.


233 posted on 03/01/2005 8:05:05 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I wonder what would happen if the Governors in all the states, that have young killers on death row, were to grant pardons to all of them and issue them a directory of the Supreme Court Justices who wrote this new law, including their home addresses and phone numbers?


236 posted on 03/01/2005 8:05:25 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Message to all teen killers:

I can kill somebody and not be held accountable for my actions.

239 posted on 03/01/2005 8:06:23 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: Next_Time_NJ
If they're old enough to know "right" from "wrong", they're old enough to make the decision to commit murder and consequently old enough to hold liable for their crimes and execute. Past a certain very young age (certainly past 12), a person's ability to discern a moral difference and commit a horrendous crime like murder is developed enough society to make him assume responsibility for his actions. Teenagers certainly are old and mature enough to know the difference between "murder" and "play".

Bad decision. Very bad. This is not something the Constitution spells out clearly, so these judicial potentates simply decided to do make it up themselves instead of leaving it up to the people through their duly elected representatives.

This is full-throated "judicial activism" on lavish display. Where is this "conservative" Court we hear so much whining about nowadays?

242 posted on 03/01/2005 8:07:38 AM PST by Gritty ("Abortion is an issue liberals believe is best voted on by groups of nine or fewer"--AnnCoulter)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

All I can say is, holy crap and what the hell were they thinking?????


248 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:38 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

bump


249 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:51 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Well so it's against the law to teach them one of the 10 commandents thou shalt not kill, so why should it be against the law if they do kill you.


274 posted on 03/01/2005 8:17:11 AM PST by Ibredd
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To: Next_Time_NJ

who's constitution are they referring to?


287 posted on 03/01/2005 8:20:34 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Just a few weeks ago, I watched the following trial on COURT TV:

From CNN:

"Wednesday, February 16, 2005 Posted: 4:23 AM EST (0923 GMT)
"CHARLESTON, South Carolina (CNN) -- A judge sentenced a 15-year-old boy Tuesday to 30 years in prison for killing his grandparents after jurors rejected defense arguments that taking the antidepressant Zoloft drove the youth to kill.

The jury convicted Chris Pittman earlier Tuesday on two counts of murder in the 2001 slayings of his paternal grandparents, Joe and Joy Pittman.

In closing arguments Monday, prosecutor John Meadors belittled the defense's contention that Zoloft influenced Pittman, then 12, to carry out the shootings, calling such an argument a "smoke screen."

"The only issue is -- did he know the difference between right and wrong?" Meadors said.

"Shooting them in bed with a [.410-gauge shotgun]," he said, "that's malice, meanness, wickedness."

In his closing argument, defense attorney Paul Waldner told jurors, "In this state, in this country, we do not convict children of murder when they've been ambushed by chemicals that have destroyed their ability to reason."

((And whether he'd been sentenced to death, or this 30 year sentence, he'll spend the rest of his life in jail appealing the verdict.))


299 posted on 03/01/2005 8:22:54 AM PST by YaYa123 (@The Death Penalty Never Gets Carried Out Anyway.com)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
In the court's majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy (news - web sites) agreed and declared the U.S. Constitution forbids the imposition of the death penalty against offenders who were under the age of 18 when their crimes were committed.

"It is proper that we acknowledge the overwhelming weight of international opinion against the juvenile death penalty, resting in large part on the understanding that the instability and emotional imbalance of young people may often be a factor in the crime," he wrote in the 25-page opinion.

There's that I word again...
301 posted on 03/01/2005 8:23:30 AM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent...)
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Hey, kids, no need to spare your victims out of fear of the death penalty. Go ahead and kill 'em. Fewer loose ends and all that.


325 posted on 03/01/2005 8:27:51 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Yet again a debatable interpretation of the Constitution becomes law ... and the plainly-worded 2nd Amendment continues to be ignored. Clarity is in the goals of the beholder.


346 posted on 03/01/2005 8:35:42 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Wow


355 posted on 03/01/2005 8:37:16 AM PST by Teacher317
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Bet teenage gangs are glad to hear this.


379 posted on 03/01/2005 8:47:05 AM PST by Ibredd
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