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To: sasafras

"Multiculturism and diversity is valued over merit and hardwork. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that when liberals are in charge of our education system and push the former over the latter that you get kids who believe that they should feel guilty for achieving or others who are angry because they have been told that they cant achieve and need a hand out."

It would be interesting to hear if Thomas Sowell felt school integration, as laudable as that breakthrough was, introduced the concept that everything had to be "equal" such that it became politically impossible to maintain standards, accountability and discipline because that would be seen as discriminatory and racist (granted, there were some with that ulterior motive then).

It would also most surely be wrong to lay all the blame there. For example, there was a much larger pool of women then to draw from as teachers since they were not represented in large numbers in other professions then and could often work for less because their husbands could support the family almost on one income. That situation will be highly unlikely again in the future (not sure what the Chinese and Indian schools are doing).

Also, I am just guessing that there were a lot of think-tanks introducing new ideas about education that represented a liberal cultural shift, but that would have to be researched. The preference of an education degree over having a major in one's subject area also seems like a lowering of standards.

The irony is that might have hurt some minorities as much or more who are capable of reaching these standards if held to them and encouraged and supported (such as Condeleezza's parents did for her). Malcolm X despite many of his shortcomings (including violence) seemed to recognize that self-reliance, self-discipline and hard work have to be there and cannot just be handed to one. Whatever the answer, that is all water under the bridge, and we have to come to grips with what it will take to not be educational and vocational roadkill in the next generation.


114 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:04 AM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: baseball_fan

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It would be interesting to hear if Thomas Sowell felt school integration, as laudable as that breakthrough was, introduced the concept that everything had to be "equal" such that it became politically impossible to maintain standards, accountability and discipline because that would be seen as discriminatory and racist (granted, there were some with that ulterior motive then).

It would also most surely be wrong to lay all the blame there. For example, there was a much larger pool of women then to draw from as teachers since they were not represented in large numbers in other professions then and could often work for less because their husbands could support the family almost on one income. That situation will be highly unlikely again in the future (not sure what the Chinese and Indian schools are doing).

Also, I am just guessing that there were a lot of think-tanks introducing new ideas about education that represented a liberal cultural shift, but that would have to be researched. The preference of an education degree over having a major in one's subject area also seems like a lowering of standards.

The irony is that might have hurt some minorities as much or more who are capable of reaching these standards if held to them and encouraged and supported (such as Condeleezza's parents did for her). Malcolm X despite many of his shortcomings (including violence) seemed to recognize that self-reliance, self-discipline and hard work have to be there and cannot just be handed to one. Whatever the answer, that is all water under the bridge, and we have to come to grips with what it will take to not be educational and vocational roadkill in the next generation."

Great point!!!


129 posted on 03/01/2005 10:54:59 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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