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To: Bluntster; Cicero
Bluntster: The accurate information is as posted by Cicero. The SSPX are in schism. Their bishops are all excommunicated. Pope John Paul II has the authority to say so and rule so and he did. This is the Roman Catholic Church. It is not an anarchy. It is not a democracy. It is not a Church where judgment is abandoned by the leaders so that eccentric and chronic malcontents among the laity may substitute their judgment for that of the Church leaders.

Tridentine Masses are certainly legitimate and a lot higher in terms of cultural form than Novus Ordo. No Catholic disagrees with the validity of the Tridentine Mass or the Tridentine sacramental rites.

Is the Novus Ordo Mass a legitimate Mass? If your answer is no, stop the schismatic troublemaking and advertising and mind your own business.

86 posted on 02/28/2005 5:29:39 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; Bluntster

As you say. There are numberless abuses within the Church, but to some extent that will always be true. In fact, in some periods things have been worse. For the believing Catholic, no amount of abuses can be a reason for leaving the true Church and going into schism.

In the early disputes between Erasmus and Martin Luther, Luther was often closer to the truth than Erasmus, who among other things lied to the Pope about his age in order to get himself dispensed from his monastic vows.

Nevertheless, Erasmus chose to stay within the Church while Luther chose to leave it. Luther's decision had serious consequences, down to the present day, whereas few people now care what Erasmus's theological opinions may have been. Heresy is bad but schism is worse, because heresy is more easily correctible.


96 posted on 02/28/2005 7:10:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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